August 6, 2006
Via: The Times-Picayune
Alarmed by newspaper reports that a hurricane memorial in St. Bernard Parish will feature a cross bearing a likeness of the face of Jesus, the American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana is reminding parish officials of the Constitution’s separation of church and state.Never one to back down, Parish President Henry “Junior” Rodriguez has a simple reply: “They can kiss my ass.”
Read all about the ACLU’s attempt to get rid of this memorial being built from donations by volunteers on private land.
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6:21 pm [ Quote ]
Good for Rodriguez! From what I read at the “Stop the ACLU” blog, the memorial is neither on public land nor are public funds or workers being used. This is a case of the ACLU attempting to use its big buck coffers to strike fear of litigation. Stick your guns (or whatever) Mr. Rodriguez!
6:54 pm [ Quote ]
The Right will never learn about this issue as long as they are in self-dellusion about religion to begin with; if you think all that happened in your bible, whatever version that is, happens to be what actually happened, then you will lose all credibility immediately to anyone with a reasonable voice because you have accepted a cult-like view of religion and cannot assimilate a reasonable conversation about the subject.
The example will be given here on this blog as the far right will start to attack, name call, manipulate information, and denegrade my post instead of understanding its value for their own self-reflection and self-evaluation.
Here it comes….1….2….3….
7:00 pm [ Quote ]
Actually you don’t understand the issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with believing the Bible and everything to do with believing in the Constititution. It has nothing to do with believing a certain religion, but believing that people have the right to believe that and express it. What the ACLU is attempting to do is censor that right and in the process whittle away at liberty.
7:07 pm [ Quote ]
The first ammendment says that congress shall make no law establishing a religion. I wasn’t aware that congress was involved with this memorial.
7:21 pm [ Quote ]
This is an attempt to, not save a memorial already established, but to put up a memorial, that is clearly about Jesus, God, or whoever the fuck you wanna call your Yaweh.
Let’s see, Jesus died on a CROSS; Jesus is a “teacher” to those who are Christian and JESUS’FACE is on the CROSS - sounds like bible shit to me.
7:25 pm [ Quote ]
Well now there’s some christian charity and grace for you – respect my god or KISS MY ASS! Makes me wanna run to sunday school…
7:32 pm [ Quote ]
Actually you don’t understand the issue. It has absolutely nothing to do with believing the Bible and everything to do with believing in the Constititution. It has nothing to do with believing a certain religion, but believing that people have the right to believe that and express it. What the ACLU is attempting to do is censor that right and in the process whittle away at liberty.
And you just proved my point.
Where is the land the memorial is being placed? Government of private?
Who is paying for the memorial? Government or private or both?
If the answer to either of these questions is the Government, then it’s inappropriate to place the cross, jesus’ face or anything that discriminates religion of others.
If you’re going to put this up, then EVERY SINGLE RELIGION THAT IS RECOGNIZED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO HAVE EQUAL SPACE AND PRESENTATION.
“The majority of people recognize Jesus and the cross as a sign of their Christianity”. WRONG!
There are people here from all walks of life that don’t see Jesus as the end all, be all.
Islam
Secular/Irreligious/Agnostic/Atheist
Hinduism
Chinese
Buddhism
Primal indigenous (“Pagan”)
African traditional and diasporic
Sikhism
Juche
Spiritism
Judaism
Bahá’í Faith
Jainism
Shinto
Cao Dai
Zoroastrianism
Tenrikyo
Neo-Paganism
Unitarian Universalism
Rastafari movement
We’ll start with these people, they need to be recognized on the same memorial if we’re to be fair to all religions and not discriminatory.
7:33 pm [ Quote ]
Well now there’s some christian charity and grace for you – respect my god or KISS MY ASS! Makes me wanna run to sunday school…
Yeah, very christian like; it’s like all religion, say one thing on Sunday, do another/speak another on every other day.
7:39 pm [ Quote ]
oink oink
8:18 pm [ Quote ]
The Right will never learn about this issue as long as they are in self-dellusion about religion to begin with; if you think all that happened in your bible, whatever version that is, happens to be what actually happened, then you will lose all credibility immediately to anyone with a reasonable voice because you have accepted a cult-like view of religion and cannot assimilate a reasonable conversation about the subject.
The example will be given here on this blog as the far right will start to attack, name call, manipulate information, and denegrade my post instead of understanding its value for their own self-reflection and self-evaluation.
Here it comes….1….2….3….
So tell me scooter, where in the Constitution does it state:
“Be it resolved that anything even resembling a Christian symbol on any land for any reason funded by any method with any level of support is banned.”
The ACLU has NO idea what the Constitution says, and neither do you Scooter. Five bucks says you try to miscontrue the Establishment clause as a wall between church and state, just like every other liberal who cites the Constitution when they can warp its meaning and throw it out when it doesn’t support them (e.g. the Second Amendment)
8:33 pm [ Quote ]
Oh Brian – yee of little faith:
Now, this just starts the process of understanding that government funds are not used for religion or religous purpose. We’ll start with this.
The Supreme Court has forged a three-part “Lemon test” (Lemon v. Kurtzman, 1971) to determine if a law is permissible under the First-Amendment religion clauses.
A law must have a secular purpose.
It must have a primary effect which neither advances nor inhibits religion.
It must avoid excessive entanglement of church and state.
8:38 pm [ Quote ]
Isn’t removing religion from public places hostile to religion?
No one is deprived of worship in America. Tax-exempt churches and temples abound. The state has no say about private religious beliefs and practices, unless they endanger health or life. Our government represents all of the people, supported by dollars from a plurality of religious and non-religious taxpayers.
Some countries, such as the U.S.S.R., expressed hostility to religion. Others, such as Iran (“one nation under God”), have welded church and state. America wisely has taken the middle course—neither for nor against religion. Neutrality offends no one, and protects everyone.
8:41 pm [ Quote ]
Is America a Christian Nation?
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It begins, “We the people,” and contains no mention of “God” or “Christianity.” Its only references to religion are exclusionary, such as, “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust” (Art. VI), and “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (First Amendment). The presidential oath of office, the only oath detailed in the Constitution, does not contain the phrase “so help me God” or any requirement to swear on a bible (Art. II, Sec. 1, Clause 8). If we are a Christian nation, why doesn’t our Constitution say so?
In 1797 America made a treaty with Tripoli, declaring, “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” This reassurance to Islam was written under Washington’s presidency, and approved by the Senate under John Adams.
8:52 pm [ Quote ]
scooternyc Said:
Who is paying for the memorial? Government or private or both?
If the answer to either of these questions is the Government, then it’s inappropriate to place the cross, jesus’ face or anything that discriminates religion of others.
I didn’t prove your point. If you did the research, follow the link provided and actually read…you would have seen this…
Now…what was your point again?
9:00 pm [ Quote ]
Gee cant anyone ever put up a cross with a picture of christ without getting the left-wing ACLU whinning all the time? why dont this band of leftist bully boys go back to its sewerhole office in HAOI ON THE BAY and keep their big fat noses out BAN THE ACLU
9:10 pm [ Quote ]
The Right will never learn about this issue as long as they are in self-dellusion about religion to begin with; if you think all that happened in your bible, whatever version that is, happens to be what actually happened, then you will lose all credibility immediately to anyone with a reasonable voice because you have accepted a cult-like view of religion and cannot assimilate a reasonable conversation about the subject.
The example will be given here on this blog as the far right will start to attack, name call, manipulate information, and denegrade my post instead of understanding its value for their own self-reflection and self-evaluation.
Here it comes….1….2….3….
It must be hell on you to have to use our currency with ‘In God we Trust’ so blazenly displayed on it. I wonder how long it will be before the ACLU sues to have that removed also.
9:39 pm [ Quote ]
I wonder how long it will be before the ACLU sues to have that removed also.
Oh, god, soon I hope. Did I just use the term god? What the hell!
9:45 pm [ Quote ]
scooternyc Said:
Who is paying for the memorial? Government or private or both?
If the answer to either of these questions is the Government, then it’s inappropriate to place the cross, jesus’ face or anything that discriminates religion of others.
I didn’t prove your point. If you did the research, follow the link provided and actually read…you would have seen this…
Now…what was your point again?
Then why get your panties in a bunch. Why not post that information, as well? Oh, then you wouldn’t have spirited debate, which is the point so you can draw bloggers, who see the advertising and then blah, blah, blah.
Most of the time I DON’T hit those links because I can’t stand tryin to sift through 3 million threads trying to get the information. Most of the time I have already researched a topic based on news reports and know where to get my “factual” information rather than some yahoo’s blog.
You posted partial information; you received response based on that information.
You didn’t dare try to refute my quotes though, which I find the most interesting.
So, fine, they’re using private land and they’re using private dollars – THEN I DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHAT KIND OF RELIGIOUS CRAP THEY PUT UP. IF THEY WANT TO PUT A JESUS PICTURE WHERE JESUS IS HAVING ORAL SEX WITH JOHN, GO AHEAD! Oh, wait, THAT would be illegal.
9:53 pm [ Quote ]
Gee cant anyone ever put up a cross with a picture of christ without getting the left-wing ACLU whinning all the time? why dont this band of leftist bully boys go back to its sewerhole office in HAOI ON THE BAY and keep their big fat noses out BAN THE ACLU
Look buttmuncher, the ACLU have done good things and bad things, careful the hand that you bite it may end up being the one you need. Ever hear about this little thing called segregation? Yeah, they would be the crybabies you’re denouncing, that helped get that movement going stronger and passing.
You’re the idiot for thinking only that the ACLU just whines all the time. You can’t even have the testicular fortitude to see the good things they’ve done in addition to the bad things, all in the name of the Constitution. Much like Christians, all in the name of god.
I ain’t afraid of your Yahweh
I ain’t afraid of your Allah
I ain’t afraid of your Jesus
I’m afraid of what you do in the name of your God
I ain’t afraid of your churches
I ain’t afraid of your temples
I ain’t afraid of your praying
I’m afraid of what you do in the name of your God
Rise up to your higher power
Free up from fear, it will devour
Watch out for the ego of the hour
The ones who say they know it
Are the ones who will impose it on you
10:32 pm [ Quote ]
“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” George Washington
10:54 pm [ Quote ]
“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.
I like that, too bad the Christian Right in this country don’t adopt it and live it so we don’t have to hear about it.
10:58 pm [ Quote ]
Scooternyc…just exactly what McDonalds do you work in? Nice try …but you reallly are out of our league.
11:03 pm [ Quote ]
scooternyc:
...and I most certainly do NOT mean out of the league in a superior sense. I’ll take a religious type anyday (save for the musnuts). Actually, you fit the prototype of a religeous zealot…but without even having a religion to be zealous about. Tisk.
11:15 pm [ Quote ]
Scooternyc…just exactly what McDonalds do you work in? Nice try …but you reallly are out of our league.
The one right near your trailer park.
11:19 pm [ Quote ]
scooternyc:
...and I most certainly do NOT mean out of the league in a superior sense. I’ll take a religious type anyday (save for the musnuts). Actually, you fit the prototype of a religeous zealot…but without even having a religion to be zealous about. Tisk.
Should I drop off a Big Mac, Fries and a Chocolate Shake for you on my way home? I realize your a shut-in and the only way you get your welfare check is if I check your mailbox and bring it to your door, so I could do that with your food on my way home to my beautiful 3 bedroom home, with the air-conditioning running at 68 degrees, in a very affluent(that means upper class, oops, sorry, forgot you didn’t finish elementary school)neighborhood here in Scottsdale, AZ.
I do try and do volunteer work for shut-ins and this would be my task for this week.
11:20 pm [ Quote ]
I realize your a shut-in
Sorry, I mean to “Jerry Springer” that for you, since I know that’s your favorite show.
“I realize you’re(you are) a shut in”. My bad.
11:29 pm [ Quote ]
“Jerry Springer” that for you
I ax you if you whant a burger, fries and shake wid that welfare check I’s bring ya?
11:34 pm [ Quote ]
Scooternyc:
QED.
11:36 pm [ Quote ]
Scooternyc:
QED.
I forgot you came here illegally, sorry…
You’re supposed to talk in ENGLISH now.
11:39 pm [ Quote ]
I’m sorry, let me Geraldo that for you, might be easier…
...habla englais
11:48 pm [ Quote ]
Scoot, your whole argument from the beginning had no basis in the first place. Private land. Private money.
Now come on everyone. I understand the ACLU has done some great things for America, but isn’t this a bit overboard? If anything, they’re disrespecting the right of these people who hold public office to honor their “God” in their private lives.
Also, technically the First Ammendment only prohibits CONGRESS from being involved with religion. Local governments receive no mention.
11:54 pm [ Quote ]
Scoot, your whole argument from the beginning had no basis in the first place. Private land. Private money.
Now come on everyone. I understand the ACLU has done some great things for America, but isn’t this a bit overboard? If anything, they’re disrespecting the right of these people who hold public office to honor their “God” in their private lives.
Also, technically the First Ammendment only prohibits CONGRESS from being involved with religion. Local governments receive no mention.
I don’t believe the link had stated, as it does now, being built from donations by volunteers on private land but nonetheless I conceded this point several posts ago and stated that if this is true(I’m not sure I would trust the blog it came from, especially after reading the post – WHICH - is why I hate hitting those links because they’re too biased)then, yes, the ACLU was overstepping their bounds. But, unlike the buttmuncher who responded to my post, I am not willing to throw out the ACLU since they have and hopefully will continue, to do good work through it all.
11:54 pm [ Quote ]
Private money on private land? No problem on my end. ACLU is 100% wrong on this one. What where they thinking when they issued their “reminder”? Someone dropped the ball on that one…
There shouldnt even be any debating on this. Nothing will come of it. If the ACLU actually tries to file, they will be laughed out of court. They might as well start sueing churches, synagogues, and mosques for having religious symbols.
11:57 pm [ Quote ]
Well, I’m not on board with all this “ban the ACLU” far right bull, but I recognize hypocrisy when I see it. Thank you for being a rational thinker.
11:57 pm [ Quote ]
My previous post was directed toward Scooter.
11:58 pm [ Quote ]
am not willing to throw out the ACLU since they have and hopefully will continue, to do good work through it all.
Yeah, they do have their uses, they just seem to have the same problems as unions. They were very much needed in their hayday but their usefulness has declined in recent years. Sometimes they get a little too zealous in trying to remind people they are needed.
12:00 am [ Quote ]
Also, technically the First Ammendment only prohibits CONGRESS from being involved with religion. Local governments receive no mention.
Post 11, 12, and 13 speak to this, perhaps – your call.
I find it interesting that none of the “Christian” people on this blog or the other one, commented on how inappropriate the Parish President’s response was to the ACLU - NOR, did they comment about how the ACLU representative chose the high road and didn’t use inflamatory language like PP did.
I don’t care how the PP reacted, nor how the ACLU reacted, but I DO find it interesting in the observation how the hypocrits on this blog and the linked one, seem to think that the type of disrespectful remark made to the ACLU is appropriate. If this was the other way around, they would be screaming about it.
12:01 am [ Quote ]
My previous post was directed toward Scooter.
Thank you!
12:02 am [ Quote ]
am not willing to throw out the ACLU since they have and hopefully will continue, to do good work through it all.
Yeah, they do have their uses, they just seem to have the same problems as unions. They were very much needed in their hayday but their usefulness has declined in recent years. Sometimes they get a little too zealous in trying to remind people they are needed.
Agreed.
12:05 am [ Quote ]
poor scooter.
Comes unglued at the mere mention of Jesus.
Doesn’t know what the word “majority” means. (can’t count or do simple arithmetic)
Also doesn’t know what the words, “private property” means.
Or is just ignoring such facts in order to rant.
Meanwhile, Mr. Rodriquez has the answer to the scooterites.
Kiss my ass.
And quit trying to police Christians, Scooter-pie, you don’t know jack anyway, plus you don’t have the authority to tell us what is in our Bible or how we should act.
Kiss my ass.
.
12:05 am [ Quote ]
Post 11, 12, and 13 speak to this, perhaps – your call.
I find it interesting that none of the “Christian” people on this blog or the other one, commented on how inappropriate the Parish President’s response was to the ACLU - NOR, did they comment about how the ACLU representative chose the high road and didn’t use inflamatory language like PP did.
I don’t care how the PP reacted, nor how the ACLU reacted, but I DO find it interesting in the observation how the hypocrits on this blog and the linked one, seem to think that the type of disrespectful remark made to the ACLU is appropriate. If this was the other way around, they would be screaming about it.
Scoot, I know NO level of government should advocate a certain relgion. My only point was that the ACLU guy is just using the First Ammendment as his “holy” document of sorts.
And no, it probably isn’t appropriate to say “Kiss my ass,” but, hey, no Commandment states “Thou shalt not be foul.”
12:07 am [ Quote ]
Now The Machine, come on. We were having a nice, rational conversation. No need to be spiteful and inflammatory.
12:11 am [ Quote ]
Well I’m off. I have to go to work tomorrow. Later all.
12:14 am [ Quote ]
And no, it probably isn’t appropriate to say “Kiss my ass,” but, hey, no Commandment states “Thou shalt not be foul.”
I have been arguing that point for years
12:25 am [ Quote ]
“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.
I like that, too bad the Christian Right in this country don’t adopt it and live it so we don’t have to hear about it.
Uhhh dude, he was warning against it. As in ‘with caution’ as in ‘with care’, ‘be careful’.
You don’t read much old writing do you?
1:53 am [ Quote ]
I got the impression that scooter didn’t get the quote, or maybe he was being sarcastic. George Washington was warning against a secular society.
3:58 am [ Quote ]
If the memorial’s being built on privately-owned land, the ACLU needs to butt out.
Christianity’s not the official state religion, but neither is secular humanism. God bless Rodriguez – too bad Mel Gibson didn’t say the same thing to Abe Foxman when Foxman didn’t like Gibson’s original apology.
These unelected advocacy groups have no right to define our entire society for us.
7:11 am [ Quote ]
poor scooter.
Comes unglued at the mere mention of Jesus.
Doesn’t know what the word “majority” means. (can’t count or do simple arithmetic)
Also doesn’t know what the words, “private property” means.
Or is just ignoring such facts in order to rant.
Meanwhile, Mr. Rodriquez has the answer to the scooterites.
Kiss my ass.
And quit trying to police Christians, Scooter-pie, you don’t know jack anyway, plus you don’t have the authority to tell us what is in our Bible or how we should act.
Kiss my ass.
.
Poor you, you’re so stupid you didn’t read my other posts. Here, I’ll Maury Povich this for your trailer trash ass since that’s what you understand, I know you never even reached school:
What about majority rule?
America is one nation under a Constitution. Although the Constitution sets up a representative democracy, it specifically was amended with the Bill of Rights in 1791 to uphold individual and minority rights. On constitutional matters we do not have majority rule. For example, when the majority in certain localities voted to segregate blacks, this was declared illegal. The majority has no right to tyrannize the minority on matters such as race, gender, or religion.
Not only is it unAmerican for the government to promote religion, it is rude. Whenever a public official uses the office to advance religion, someone is offended. The wisest policy is one of neutrality.
BTW buttmuncher #2, it would do you well to read the other posts before you post such a stupid comment. Unless of course your intent was to reveal to us how stupid you are, in which case, mission accomplished for you. Congrats.
7:13 am [ Quote ]
Scoot, I know NO level of government should advocate a certain relgion. My only point was that the ACLU guy is just using the First Ammendment as his “holy” document of sorts.
Agreed.
And no, it probably isn’t appropriate to say “Kiss my ass,” but, hey, no Commandment states “Thou shalt not be foul.”
You’re right it doesn’t state that, but you’d think that given the nature of christianity that someone would have stepped up.
7:14 am [ Quote ]
And no, it probably isn’t appropriate to say “Kiss my ass,” but, hey, no Commandment states “Thou shalt not be foul.”
I have been arguing that point for years
Here! Here!
7:15 am [ Quote ]
Now The Machine, come on. We were having a nice, rational conversation. No need to be spiteful and inflammatory.
No worries, I appreciate all the more the contradictory nature of someone like this to reveal themselves so as to let everyone know how irrational his/her thought process really is!
7:20 am [ Quote ]
“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.
I like that, too bad the Christian Right in this country don’t adopt it and live it so we don’t have to hear about it.
Uhhh dude, he was warning against it. As in ‘with caution’ as in ‘with care’, ‘be careful’.
You don’t read much old writing do you?
Uh-uh, dude, yeah, I like totally got it, but, like fer sure, you didn’t totally get that I was just takin the part that made sense out of the entire statement – cause like, duh, the first lines had no negative religious connotations.
Oh, sorry, my bad – forgot, you shut-ins can’t hear big words like that – had less religious toneto it.
7:21 am [ Quote ]
maybe he was being sarcastic
“Jay, tell Rose what she’s won!”
(Price is Righ music in the background)
7:30 am [ Quote ]
If the memorial’s being built on privately-owned land, the ACLU needs to butt out.
Agreed.
Christianity’s not the official state religion, but neither is secular humanism. God bless Rodriguez – too bad Mel Gibson didn’t say the same thing to Abe Foxman when Foxman didn’t like Gibson’s original apology.
” Thank you Jay, and now we have with us a real, live Christian-Anti-Semite, can you tell us a little about yourself…oops, my bad, you just did. Okay, on with our show, here’s the next item for bid.”
These unelected advocacy groups have no right to define our entire society for us.
(Screeeeeeech)WRONG again CAS!(that’s Christian Anti-Semite for our shut-ins). We need these groups to keep tabs on asswipes like you who want to try and rule the world based on your religion.
Uh, wow, fer sure, dude, don’t that sound almost like those Hezbo people and those Islam people.
“Yes, Jay, Surfer Dude, manages to get on top of that quicker than the shut-ins, tell’em what he’s won!”
Note: I figured it was okay to call names to certain posts since it’s okay for Rodriguette(is he legal here in the U.S., someone check his papers and status please) to say similar things to the rep. from the ACLU. Ya get what you give.
9:12 am [ Quote ]
Well now there’s some christian charity and grace for you – respect my god or KISS MY ASS! Makes me wanna run to sunday school…
Yeah, very christian like; it’s like all religion, say one thing on Sunday, do another/speak another on every other day.
You were going on about Christian rants. Then you degenerate into your own ranting. Way to be.
9:15 am [ Quote ]
Gee cant anyone ever put up a cross with a picture of christ without getting the left-wing ACLU whinning all the time? why dont this band of leftist bully boys go back to its sewerhole office in HAOI ON THE BAY and keep their big fat noses out BAN THE ACLU
Look buttmuncher, the ACLU have done good things and bad things, careful the hand that you bite it may end up being the one you need. Ever hear about this little thing called segregation? Yeah, they would be the crybabies you’re denouncing, that helped get that movement going stronger and passing.
You’re the idiot for thinking only that the ACLU just whines all the time. You can’t even have the testicular fortitude to see the good things they’ve done in addition to the bad things, all in the name of the Constitution. Much like Christians, all in the name of god.
I ain’t afraid of your Yahweh
I ain’t afraid of your Allah
I ain’t afraid of your Jesus
I’m afraid of what you do in the name of your God
I ain’t afraid of your churches
I ain’t afraid of your temples
I ain’t afraid of your praying
I’m afraid of what you do in the name of your God
Rise up to your higher power
Free up from fear, it will devour
Watch out for the ego of the hour
The ones who say they know it
Are the ones who will impose it on you
Looks like you are still emotional. While i usually agree with many of your posts, you are sounding like a pissed of 15 year old on this thread.
9:36 am [ Quote ]
Well now there’s some christian charity and grace for you – respect my god or KISS MY ASS! Makes me wanna run to sunday school…
Yeah, very christian like; it’s like all religion, say one thing on Sunday, do another/speak another on every other day.
You were going on about Christian rants. Then you degenerate into your own ranting. Way to be.
I don’t see scooter telling anyone to kiss his/her ass. Nor do I see him/her doing so in the same breath as claiming moral superiority on the basis of being a Christian.
9:41 am [ Quote ]
“Read all about the ACLU’s attempt to get rid of this memorial being built from donations by volunteers on private land.”
You didn’t even need to follow a link scooter…this very post you’ve convulsed over f0r two days presents the information you ignored.
10:38 am [ Quote ]
“Read all about the ACLU’s attempt to get rid of this memorial being built from donations by volunteers on private land.”
You didn’t even need to follow a link scooter…this very post you’ve convulsed over f0r two days presents the information you ignored.
Oh, I’m sorry, is my response disproportionate with the case at hand?
Here, let me Tyra this for you:
“DON’T BE TALKIN TO ME LIKE YOU KNOW ME! I’LL SMACK YOU DOWN LIKE A HOOKER IN THE PROJECTS, BITCH!”
How’s that?
10:39 am [ Quote ]
Thanks 57McG, it’s nice to know you and I can banter/disagree and still support when the issue feels right. Go McG!
10:41 am [ Quote ]
I don’t see scooter telling anyone to kiss his/her ass. Nor do I see him/her doing so in the same breath as claiming moral superiority on the basis of being a Christian.
Although, I did call 2 people buttmunchers, implied that some are living off welfare and residing in trailer parks, and that some may not be legal citizens of this country…but, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
10:42 am [ Quote ]
Lucid Vigil, btw, uhm….(clear throat)
IT’S A SONG YOU IDIOT MAKING A POINT ABOUT RELIGION!
Now I feel better.
11:06 am [ Quote ]
If Scooter had his way it would be illegal for us to go to church. That’s the goal of atheists.
He wants it illegal to build a cross on private property.
Nambla, Al Queda and the atheists the 3 favorite groups of the ACLU and groups that all agree child rape and terrorism is fine and dandy.
11:09 am [ Quote ]
Thanks 57McG, it’s nice to know you and I can banter/disagree and still support when the issue feels right. Go McG!
No worries. I am an issue-driven flamer.
11:14 am [ Quote ]
If Scooter had his way it would be illegal for us to go to church. That’s the goal of atheists.
He wants it illegal to build a cross on private property.
Nambla, Al Queda and the atheists the 3 favorite groups of the ACLU and groups that all agree child rape and terrorism is fine and dandy.
Yesss… because of course anyone who supports separation of church and state must be a wanna-be suicide bomber who monsters children in their spare time, yes?
Come to the light… reality isn’t that scary…
11:44 am [ Quote ]
Only if we had a president with the same attitude!
12:01 pm [ Quote ]
Well, I’ve had my fun – good day to you all!
3:38 pm [ Quote ]
I don’t think Scooter wants it to be ilegal to build religious icons on private property. He seems much more reasonable than that.
However he does seem to feel that everybody who believes in God wants to cram him down people’s throats. This however isn’t the case.
For example i believe in God but I havn’t even been to church in probably 2 years. I can’t think of one person i know personally that tries to cram God down people’s throats.
But yes i do know those people exist. But there are just as many people who want the word GOd to be illegal to be used outside one’s own house.
5:15 pm [ Quote ]
Actually I have decussed this with scooter. He thinks that Christians are brainwashed (actually anyone who is religious) and that an intelligent person would never believe the Bible because it is a myth. He certainly has the right to his viewpoint but he is quite nasty about it.
However, on any other topic scooter is a conservative and has some great conversations.
He doesn’t care what you believe spiritually, he just wants you to keep it to yourself.
Fair enough.
5:25 pm [ Quote ]
Actually I have decussed this with scooter. He thinks that Christians are brainwashed (actually anyone who is religious) and that an intelligent person would never believe the Bible because it is a myth. He certainly has the right to his viewpoint but he is quite nasty about it.
However, on any other topic scooter is a conservative and has some great conversations.
He doesn’t care what you believe spiritually, he just wants you to keep it to yourself.
Fair enough.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, that must confuse you! Someone who doesn’t fit the pre=determined cookie cutter… he actually thinks for himself! How can he call himself a conservative if he’s not a pod person?
5:35 pm [ Quote ]
Don’t you have some mud to wallow in? I thought you were done here.
6:57 pm [ Quote ]
Look at all the attention scoot got!
Look out, don’t step in the bullshit, you might scoot on it.
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7:14 pm [ Quote ]
“Read all about the ACLU’s attempt to get rid of this memorial being built from donations by volunteers on private land.”
You didn’t even need to follow a link scooter…this very post you’ve convulsed over f0r two days presents the information you ignored.
Oh, I’m sorry, is my response disproportionate with the case at hand?
Here, let me Tyra this for you:
“DON’T BE TALKIN TO ME LIKE YOU KNOW ME! I’LL SMACK YOU DOWN LIKE A HOOKER IN THE PROJECTS, BITCH!”
How’s that?
You obviously weigh about a buck and a quarter and had a larger older sister who gave you a roughing up per day throughout your childhood. No one secure in his manhood resorts to quoting girl tirades from the safety of his Cheeto-crumb-covered keyboard if he can handle himself outside the moldy walls of his mom’s basement.
10:55 pm [ Quote ]
Don’t you have some mud to wallow in? I thought you were done here.
IS that your idea of civilised discourse?
10:59 pm [ Quote ]
These clowns are funny.
11:01 pm [ Quote ]
You can dish it out but you can’t take it. This one comment of mine doesn’t even come close to the level of incivility that you have shown on this site.
11:14 pm [ Quote ]
I thought you were a conservative Machine, I guess I was wrong.
11:32 pm [ Quote ]
I thought you were a conservative Machine, I guess I was wrong.
You’re wrong about a lot of things.
11:48 pm [ Quote ]
And you’re wrong about everything.
11:50 pm [ Quote ]
If Scooter had his way it would be illegal for us to go to church. That’s the goal of atheists.
Wow, thanks for the generalization. Suddenly all those times I defended christians is leaving a bitter taste in my mouth. This must be what it feels like to liberate a country and then have them call you a murderer.
1:38 am [ Quote ]
Much like the string of mud slinging and personal attacks in this blog, the reaction to the role the ACLU plays in championing our US Constitution can become down right nasty. Yes, the ACLU picks some very polarizing topics and clients. Much to their credit, we have a stronger government and freer society as a result.
Separation of church and state issues will continue to be very polarizing. The Right leaps to apocolyptic fears of the atheists burning down all the churches. The left sees the US taken over by religious clerics controlling individual choice in the name of their dogma.
Separation of church and state, whether clearly stated in the constitution or not, is a good practice. Religious individuals and groups are free to practice their religion, tax free, on private land without federal finances. Atheists, agnostics and people of other religions can then participate in the same society without fear of others’ religions controlling our federal government and its budget.
In this case, the ACLU will not win because its case does not have merit. Hopefully, the system will work and the right outcome will surface. In this, I trust.
2:24 am [ Quote ]
Scooter and MCG and otbers hate spewing thypical atheists.
It is true atheists want it to be illegal to go to church.
These are the same worthless crap subhumans that write letters to the Cubs asking them to stop the players from crossing themselves because it offends them!
2:26 am [ Quote ]
The ACLU suing to get the one cross taken down and this other one not being built is proof of the goal of them and their atheists.
They want it to be illegal to wear a cross around your beck. They have stood and supplied lawyers for people offended by someone putting a cross at their workdesk.
1:25 pm [ Quote ]
ACLU Opposes Private Expression Of Religious Freedom Now?...
Henry “Junior” Rodriguez
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