July 29, 2006
Keith Olbermann appeared on the Late Late Show Friday night. He didn’t mutter O’Reilly’s name once, but referred to the FOX News host as an “idiot”. Olbermann went on to claim that he was “neutral” because he did a number of reports on the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal in 1998. However, Olbermann did not note he quit the job because he was frustrated.
Newsbusters has video and audio.
Olbermann Watch writes a description and rebuttal incase you weren’t around to watch it.
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2:09 pm [ Quote ]
Aah we’re back to old faithful I see.
KO is straight down the line in my eyes…Unlike the number 1 propagandists, where you get 5 hours of far right (so called) news coverage a night.
2:10 pm [ Quote ]
What is with the Olbermann fetish…seriously.
2:18 pm [ Quote ]
Only those with brain damage would watch Olbermann or consider him in any way non-partisan.
Then again, pretty much everyone on the left is suffering from at least mild retardation, so Im surprised his viewership hasnt gone up.
Of course, you need to be able to actually turn on the tv which is an action that goes beyond the ability of most libs.
2:36 pm [ Quote ]
You guys do ‘rebuttals’?
3:16 pm [ Quote ]
Wasn’t he doing sports during the Clinton years? I thought MSNBC was his first job were he didn’t report football scores.
3:17 pm [ Quote ]
Olberman is just using this O’Reilly hate gimmick to garner publicity, which it has done a good job of doing. He played the conservative MSM like a well-tuned fiddle. I’m pretty sure he will lose the spotlight though now that Mel Gibbons, creator of the vile filth called the Passion of the Jesus, has gone on a drunken anti-semetic rage. He’ll definitely make worst person in the world, so at least the leprechaun will get a break.
3:35 pm [ Quote ]
This seems a tad lop sided to me…You never know, maybe Bill will put his thinking cap…But don’t hold your breath…Oops I forgot Bill doesn’t think he just shouts.
Whom O’reilly considers far right:
Nazis[41]
American militia groups[42]
David Duke, [43]
Ann Coulter[14]
Ayn Rand Institute[44]
O’Reilly has identified many more to be on the far left. The following people or organizations he considers “far left:”
Daniel Akaka [45]
Russ Feingold [46]
Charles Schumer [47]
Barbara Boxer [48]
Cindy Sheehan [49]
Ted Kennedy [50]
Bruce Springsteen [51]
Bill Moyers [52]
Harry Belafonte [53] [54] [55]
Howard Dean [56]
Dixie Chicks [57]
Al Franken [58]
George Clooney [59]
Media Matters for America [60]
The ACLU [61]
Air America Radio [62]
moveon.org [63] [64]
NY Times [65] [66]
Atlanta Journal Constitution [67] [68]
Paul Krugman [69] [70]
St. Louis Post Dispatch[71]
French media [72]
The Globe and Mail [73]
Campaign for America’s Future [74]
Andres Oppenheimer [75]
Amnesty International [76]
George Soros [77]
Peter Lewis [78]
Natalie Maines [79]
Rob Glaser [80]
Planned Parenthood [81]
Anthony Romero [82]
Michael Moore [83]
The Boston Globe [84]
German media [85]
San Francisco Chronicle [86]
St. Petersburg Times [87] [88]
Dayton Daily News [89]
Syracuse Post-Standard [90]
Sheldon Silver [91]
Hollywood [92]
AfterNet [93]
Jim McDermott [94]
Think Progress [95] [96]
John Conyers [97]
John Podesta [98]
David Corn [99]
Secular Progressive Movement [100]
Mike Farrell [101]
Robert Scheer [102] [103]
Richard Cohen [104]
Brattleboro Reformer [105]
Cynthia Tucker [106]
Michael Kinsley [107]
Frank Rich [108]
Capital Times [109]
People for the American Way [110]
Lynn Woolsey [111]
David Cole [112]
Molly Ivins [113]
Bob Herbert [114]
The Nation [115]
The Guardian (UK) [116]
Jimmy Carter [117]
3:40 pm [ Quote ]
Olberman is just using this O’Reilly hate gimmick to garner publicity, which it has done a good job of doing. He played the conservative MSM like a well-tuned fiddle. I’m pretty sure he will lose the spotlight though now that Mel Gibbons, creator of the vile filth called the Passion of the Jesus, has gone on a drunken anti-semetic rage. He’ll definitely make worst person in the world, so at least the leprechaun will get a break.
Another unhinged leftist revealing his anti-Christian bigotry. The Passion is only vile filth to those who reject its message of forgiveness.
Why don’t you ever focus on leftist anti-Semites, of which there are many (Fred Phelps, Harry Belafonte, and Al Sharpton to name a few).
3:49 pm [ Quote ]
Olberman is just using this O’Reilly hate gimmick to garner publicity, which it has done a good job of doing. He played the conservative MSM like a well-tuned fiddle. I’m pretty sure he will lose the spotlight though now that Mel Gibbons, creator of the vile filth called the Passion of the Jesus, has gone on a drunken anti-semetic rage. He’ll definitely make worst person in the world, so at least the leprechaun will get a break.
What exactly does Mel Gibson have ANYTHING to do with this conversation?
Absolutely nothing, of course.
I’m an Atheist myself, so I couldn’t care less about his “Passion” movie.
However, the guy is still one of Hollywood’s biggest draws no matter how offended you were by a single movie that you probably never watched.
I never saw the movie either, but I’m also not offended by it.
Perhaps you should develop some thicker skin and live with it because Christianity and their symbols are here to stay whether you like it or not, just like the Mt. Soledad Cross.
Who cares?
Focus your venomous outrage on the religious zealots and Islamic fundamentalists who want to kill us instead of worrying about Christians making movies or not wanting to remove a cross that has been sitting there for more than 50 years.
3:51 pm [ Quote ]
Olberman is just using this O’Reilly hate gimmick to garner publicity, which it has done a good job of doing. He played the conservative MSM like a well-tuned fiddle. I’m pretty sure he will lose the spotlight though now that Mel Gibbons, creator of the vile filth called the Passion of the Jesus, has gone on a drunken anti-semetic rage. He’ll definitely make worst person in the world, so at least the leprechaun will get a break.
Another unhinged leftist revealing his anti-Christian bigotry. The Passion is only vile filth to those who reject its message of forgiveness.
Why don’t you ever focus on leftist anti-Semites, of which there are many (Fred Phelps, Harry Belafonte, and Al Sharpton to name a few).
Wolfie boy has shown time and agian that he is anti-christian. Which is just as bad as being anti-semitic. He is F-A-hole bigot, it sucks that he is back posting. Now we got to read him make fun of peoples faith and beliefs, that is disgusting and vile.
4:01 pm [ Quote ]
Harmonica Said:
3:51 pm
“Now we got to read him make fun of peoples faith and beliefs, that is disgusting and vile.”
But you have absolutely no problem with folk “making fun of peoples faith and beliefs” when it comes to Muslims…A bit hypocritical me thinks.
4:24 pm [ Quote ]
My comments on Olbermann below:
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4:25 pm [ Quote ]
Harmonica Said:
3:51 pm
“Now we got to read him make fun of peoples faith and beliefs, that is disgusting and vile.”
But you have absolutely no problem with folk “making fun of peoples faith and beliefs” when it comes to Muslims…A bit hypocritical me thinks.
Hmm, I never made fun of Muslims belief in Allah, nor do I believe they should be criticized for beieving in higher power whom they call Allah. I have criticized them for using thier the faith in Allah, as a tool to wage war agianst the West and Israel. I have no problem with them praying to and worshipping Allah. Wolfie likes belittle Christian by saying they believe in fairy tales and zombies, and that you are moron for believing in Jesus Christ. So, nice try buddy.
4:44 pm [ Quote ]
Well…I’ll let you off this time…But I hope you’ll pipe up (like you did against LtntWolfe) when someone criticises (UK spelling) the entire Muslim religion in the future.
4:57 pm [ Quote ]
Well…I’ll let you off this time…But I hope you’ll pipe up (like you did against LtntWolfe) when someone criticises (UK spelling) the entire Muslim religion in the future.
If anyone makes fun of them for beilieving in a hihger power, then I will call them out for it. There is difference between the belief in a higher power and the insitution that one attends.
5:13 pm [ Quote ]
I think all faiths are stupid fairy tales that only the weak need to live. That includes Islam and its preposterous claims about the afterlife; it includes Christianity and its (use Urkle voice here) “it depends on your interpretation” excuse of even differing accounts of the empty tomb.
Anaconda, you really are a fool. Thanks for your input on how the Passion of the Christ didn’t see you because you never saw it. But it’s been there for 50 years (only as a war memorial since 1992, after it was declared unconstituional) so its ok to make non-christians feel like second-class citizens because it has been that that long. Sounds like a pro-slavery argument. What is really unbelievable is that conservatives, of all people, are rallying for eminent domain (a Marxist idea) of the land. But their belief in fairy tales and zombies overrides (or dictates) their politics I guess.
You would have to be an idiot (or a bible-banger) to not see that the cross was turned into a war memorial simply to keep it there, not honor any troops. If anything it mocks what they fought for. Just look at the timeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad
6:57 pm [ Quote ]
I think all faiths are stupid fairy tales that only the weak need to live. That includes Islam and its preposterous claims about the afterlife; it includes Christianity and its (use Urkle voice here) “it depends on your interpretation” excuse of even differing accounts of the empty tomb.
Anaconda, you really are a fool. Thanks for your input on how the Passion of the Christ didn’t see you because you never saw it. But it’s been there for 50 years (only as a war memorial since 1992, after it was declared unconstituional) so its ok to make non-christians feel like second-class citizens because it has been that that long. Sounds like a pro-slavery argument. What is really unbelievable is that conservatives, of all people, are rallying for eminent domain (a Marxist idea) of the land. But their belief in fairy tales and zombies overrides (or dictates) their politics I guess.
You would have to be an idiot (or a bible-banger) to not see that the cross was turned into a war memorial simply to keep it there, not honor any troops. If anything it mocks what they fought for. Just look at the timeline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you resort to name-calling because that is what you do best when you can’t win a no-brainer of an argument.
I couldn’t care less about religion, spirituality, or Christianity whatsoever. I am not a believer, so it’s not something that I worry about on a daily basis, unlike you.
These things are not relevant or important to me, so why should I care?
I don’t.
However, unlike you, I don’t look down on others who don’t share the same beliefs (or lack thereof) as I do.
Whether you believe it or not, it’s people like you and self-righteous other Atheists who want to radically change the country by removing every cross or symbol of Christianity on public display that make most of the country believe that Atheism is a general form of Satanism.
Do you want to remove all of the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery, too? Those crosses are being displayed on government-owned property, ya know.
Let’s remove ALL of them!
I may be an Atheist, but I’m also a traditionalist.
We live in a great country that has worked just fine for 230 years.
This country doesn’t need radical changes, but we have jackasses like Michael Newdow and the ACLU filing lawsuits everyday trying to remove “In God We Trust” from our currency and the hundreds of times the ACLU have tried to remove a cross or symbol of Christianity from whatever else.
You have such contempt for Christians because you believe they are trying to impose their spiritual beliefs on you. However, you are a blatant hypocrite because you are imposing your lack of faith onto Christians by advocating that these symbols of Christianity be removed from the public view.
Who’s the fool, here?
Not me.
In case you didn’t realize it, roughly 5% of the United States are Atheist and the other 95% of the country believes in a “higher power” of whatever faith.
Deal with it.
It must be absolutely horrific to live with such a low self-esteem that you feel like a “second-class citizen” by the mere presence of a symbol of Christianity like the Mt. Soledad Cross.
My advice to you is get the psychiatric help that you so desperately need since you seem to become so easily offended by the issue of faith that it is driving you to the point of insanity.
7:04 pm [ Quote ]
Can you fellas help me? My daddy said I should learn to look to the future, so in case I don’t manage to make my current job permanent I’m posting my resume in advance.
GEORGE W. BUSH
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC 20520
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver’s license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been “lost” and is not available.
MILITARY
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn’t find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took and used taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry, including Enron CEO Ken Lay, I was elected governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America. I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history. With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father’s appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My “poorest millionaire,” Condoleeza Rice, had a Chevron oil tanker named after her. I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contri-butor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission. I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law. I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. “prisoners of war” detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.
I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and
support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families-in-wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear “Tactical Bunker Buster,” a WMD. I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden [sic] to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father’s library sealed and unavailable for public view. All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
I am a member of the Republican Party.
PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN THE 2006 MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
7:17 pm [ Quote ]
Great now we got assholes from Kos spaming the comment section. That shit is left over from 2004, you liberals are lame.
7:27 pm [ Quote ]
Anaconda: I am always amazed that you are a self-confessed atheist; but when it comes to this nation, Christian symbols and other such matters; you have uncommon wisdom and an exceptional ability to express your views. Post #17 was superb, I could not imrprove on it one iota!
8:26 pm [ Quote ]
Anaconda: I am always amazed that you are a self-confessed atheist; but when it comes to this nation, Christian symbols and other such matters; you have uncommon wisdom and an exceptional ability to express your views. Post #17 was superb, I could not imrprove on it one iota!
I appreciate the kind words and praise.
Believe me when I say that you too have an uncommon wisdom and a point of view that I always respect because of your civility and eloquently detailed arguments.
Perhaps I am in the extreme minority, but I’ll never understand why other non-believers don’t think it is OK for people of faith to invoke symbols of spirituality and their beliefs in the public eye, but they think it’s OK to invoke their lack of beliefs onto others by removing these symbols of faith.
It’s hypocrisy at its core and has never made any sense to me. If someone believes that spirituality is nothing but “tales and myths,” then why are they so offended by such irrelevant things?
Harry Potter books are “tales and myths,” but I don’t see non-believers tripping all over themselves and trying to remove Harry Potter from the public view.
As I’ve said many times before, the only hard-lined believers that offend me are the ones who target women and children by blowing themselves up in pizza parlors, all in the name of “Allah”.
Our priorities should be on the people who want to kill us, not the people who want to display a cross at a military memorial.
8:34 pm [ Quote ]
Great now we got assholes from Kos spaming the comment section. That shit is left over from 2004, you liberals are lame.
Out of curiosity, are you male or female?
And no, I’m not trying to pick you up or anything like that.
I guess I am just guilty of trying to assume the sex or age of a fellow poster because it is difficult to gauge at times.
Haven’t we all been guilty of this at one time or another?
No intent here, just harmless curiosity.
8:47 pm [ Quote ]
Anaconda: Please look at post #64 under the subject
“Disproportionate Force – Intellectually Speaking”
Cross-posted from MsUnderestimated.
I think you’ll find it interesting!
2:54 am [ Quote ]
Anaconda: Please look at post #64 under the subject
“Disproportionate Force – Intellectually Speaking”
Cross-posted from MsUnderestimated.
I think you’ll find it interesting!
Apart from the fact that you can’t count – no, its not interesting.
4:10 am [ Quote ]
Great now we got assholes from Kos spaming the comment section. That shit is left over from 2004, you liberals are lame.
i dare you to address #18’s post. tell me ONE thing that isn’t true in that resume.
i dare any Bush supporters to address #18’s posting.
9:09 am [ Quote ]
Great now we got assholes from Kos spaming the comment section. That shit is left over from 2004, you liberals are lame.
i dare you to address #18’s post. tell me ONE thing that isn’t true in that resume.
i dare any Bush supporters to address #18’s posting.
How about you idiots write a little new thing instead copy and pasting the same old crap you guys spamed all over right leaning forums in during the 2004 election. Sorry I not going to feed the random hit and run trolls. I double dog dare you to STFU, because I going to assume it was you who copy and pasted #18.
9:11 am [ Quote ]
Great now we got assholes from Kos spaming the comment section. That shit is left over from 2004, you liberals are lame.
Out of curiosity, are you male or female?
And no, I’m not trying to pick you up or anything like that.
I guess I am just guilty of trying to assume the sex or age of a fellow poster because it is difficult to gauge at times.
Haven’t we all been guilty of this at one time or another?
No intent here, just harmless curiosity.
Male
9:24 am [ Quote ]
Well, I guess you feel just fine that your taxes pay for Christian symbols. Now, your tax dollars will pay even more for it thanks to this eminent domain scheme. You didn’t address anything about the timeline of the cross, so that’s clearly a swish. You bring up some b.s. about crosses on Alrington cemetary….the govenment doesn’t put them there. It’s up to the families, as it should be. It’s irrelevant to bring it up, and actually a right-wing myth that the ACLU wants to remove them. Also, how am I imposing athiesm on anyone? DO you see me asking for a giant 50 foot sign saying “There is no God!”? If not having a refeence to God makes something athiest, then I guess the Washington Monument qualifies for that (that’s 3 points, score it).
Look son, you’re out of your league here. Then again, your post couldn’t be improved one iota by Umnumzana, so it must be gold!
11:09 am [ Quote ]
Where’s the news? Everyone knows that O’Reilly is an idiot.
12:30 pm [ Quote ]
Harmonica Said:
3:51 pm
“Now we got to read him make fun of peoples faith and beliefs, that is disgusting and vile.”
But you have absolutely no problem with folk “making fun of peoples faith and beliefs” when it comes to Muslims…A bit hypocritical me thinks.
Smoker exactly what is it about Islam’s Quran and Hadiths demanding your murder, conversion or Dhimmitude you enjoy most?
Or is your praise more towards the fact that Islam was founded by a common thief, a child raping pedophile and a terrorist?
Feel free to let us all know.
Olbermann. Spit.
2:03 pm [ Quote ]
Well, I guess you feel just fine that your taxes pay for Christian symbols. Now, your tax dollars will pay even more for it thanks to this eminent domain scheme. You didn’t address anything about the timeline of the cross, so that’s clearly a swish. You bring up some b.s. about crosses on Alrington cemetary….the govenment doesn’t put them there. It’s up to the families, as it should be. It’s irrelevant to bring it up, and actually a right-wing myth that the ACLU wants to remove them. Also, how am I imposing athiesm on anyone? DO you see me asking for a giant 50 foot sign saying “There is no God!”? If not having a refeence to God makes something athiest, then I guess the Washington Monument qualifies for that (that’s 3 points, score it).
Look son, you’re out of your league here. Then again, your post couldn’t be improved one iota by Umnumzana, so it must be gold!
Let’s break this down point-by-point:
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”Well, I guess you feel just fine that your taxes pay for Christian symbols.”
I’ve got news for you. I don’t like A LOT of things my tax dollars are paying for these days. It is pretty much out of my control and there is little I can do about it besides voting for the people on Election Day who I think will spend my tax dollars as wisely as possible.
In fact, I think it’s ridiculous that our US tax dollars are being spent to fight the ACLU on our government’s behalf in our judicial system because they can’t win at the ballot box and can only make their radical changes through the courts and activist judges.
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“You bring up some b.s. about crosses on Alrington [sic] cemetary [sic] ….the govenment [sic] doesn’t put them there. It’s up to the families, as it should be. It’s irrelevant to bring it up, and actually a right-wing myth that the ACLU wants to remove them.”
Learn to read. I never said that the ACLU wants to remove the crosses at Arlington National Cemetery. My only mention of Arlington National was when I asked YOU if that’s what you wanted to do next, remove the crosses.
However, I have no doubt in my mind that the ACLU would indeed have all of these crosses removed if it was up to them. The problem with that is that they would lose that court battle BIG TIME and would have zero chances of winning the case because the American people would be overwhelmingly against that notion.
Secondly, the government doesn’t always decorate and place Nativity displays on courthouse property during the holiday season, but that doesn’t stop the ACLU from filing lawsuits to remove them from public view.
Thirdly, the crosses and other religious symbols sitting atop the graves of our fallen heroes are NOT the only religious symbols or references on that property.
There are religious monuments, scripture references, statues, and memorials all over the place throughout Arlington National Cemetery.
The government put them there. The families didn’t.
Let’s just start removing all of those symbols of faith and leave the crosses since the families didn’t put them there.
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“Also, how am I imposing athiesm [sic] on anyone? DO you see me asking for a giant 50 foot sign saying “There is no God!”? If not having a refeence [sic] to God makes something atheist [sic], then I guess the Washington Monument qualifies for that (that’s 3 points, score it).”
You are imposing your own beliefs on others by removing a symbol of Christianity that has been there for 50 years because you are offended by it. You are outnumbered by a wide margin because the vast majority of that community doesn’t believe it should be removed.
Once again, you should read more closely. I never said that no reference to “God” makes anything Atheist. The cross itself is a reference to a “higher power” and you are imposing your own lack of beliefs onto others by advocating its removal from public view.
Your point about the Washington Monument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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“Look son, you’re out of your league here. Then again, your post couldn’t be improved one iota by Umnumzana, so it must be gold!”
LOL. I find it extremely laughable that YOU of all people would call anyone “son”. I would bet that I graduated from college (Purdue University) several years before you graduated high school.
On the other hand, you are absolutely right.
I am completely “out of my league” when trying to debate you because I cannot compete with someone who is so immature that he has to self-congratulate himself on every little remark, regardless whether it makes any sense or has any relevancy to the topic at hand or not.
I also cannot compete with someone who is so insecure that the mere sight of a religious symbol of public view is enough to make him feel like a “second-class citizen” (your words) and drives him into a crazed frenzy to the point where he has to lock himself in his bedroom closet and make childish remarks about people who have a set of beliefs that differ from his own.
Sorry, but it is not their fault that you are so insecure that you can’t possibly have a logical debate with anyone pertaining to religion or issues of faith.
Get a life.
5:05 pm [ Quote ]
side-stepping Harmonica says, “How about you idiots write a little new thing instead copy and pasting the same old crap you guys spamed all over right leaning forums in during the 2004 election. Sorry I not going to feed the random hit and run trolls. I double dog dare you to STFU, because I going to assume it was you who copy and pasted #18.”
slick avoidance of the dare. your arguments are running out of steam to such an extent that you’re criticizing the means in which #18’s commments were posted. so damning are your withering criticisms, that i’m sure you’ve put a stop to all “copying and pasting” for all time.
if you get around to it, try locking horns with the substance #18’s post.
5:46 pm [ Quote ]
side-stepping Harmonica says, “How about you idiots write a little new thing instead copy and pasting the same old crap you guys spamed all over right leaning forums in during the 2004 election. Sorry I not going to feed the random hit and run trolls. I double dog dare you to STFU, because I going to assume it was you who copy and pasted #18.”
slick avoidance of the dare. your arguments are running out of steam to such an extent that you’re criticizing the means in which #18’s commments were posted. so damning are your withering criticisms, that i’m sure you’ve put a stop to all “copying and pasting” for all time.
if you get around to it, try locking horns with the substance #18’s post.
You are just a troll spamming left overs from 2004. There is no point in responding a idiot sheep that get its talking points from a place like moveon.org and recites(copy and paste) them verbatim. Try forming you own opinions and thoughts and instead being a Kosbot. Go pick other right leaning website for yor spam, maybe some will bite and you will get some use out ctrl+v keys.
6:23 pm [ Quote ]
side-stepping Harmonica spews, “You are just a troll spamming left overs from 2004. There is no point in responding a idiot sheep that get its talking points from a place like moveon.org and recites(copy and paste) them verbatim. Try forming you own opinions and thoughts and instead being a Kosbot. Go pick other right leaning website for yor spam, maybe some will bite and you will get some use out ctrl+v keys.”
HOW TO DEBATE, BY HARMONICA:
1. avoid confronting the issues. it’s too hard.
2. criticize the easiest of points, i.e. taking issue with “coping and pasting.”
3. baselessly assume the opponent gets its “talking points” from Left websites, to discredit the comments, instead of engaging with them.
4. name-calling is a real good tactic; “troll” or “idiot” will do, demonizing the opponent intead of geniunely listening to them.
it’s important that any criticism of Bush be denounced and the messenger be rhetorically killed. everyone we disagree with is a terrorist.
6:53 pm [ Quote ]
Dude come up with your own ideas, #18 was copy and pasted off of one the numerous far left websites, that is a fact. Spamming is common tool used by trolls, they get some talking pionts and then copy and paste them all over the place. If you put post #18 into Google you will get hundreds of hits. Why don’t you run along with canned talking points and try pass them off as your own work. I don’t feel like debating a dishonest plagiarist(which I gather isn’t a big deal for you).
BAH BAH Sheep, just keep saying two feet good, four feet bad, or whatever your higher ups are telling you these days.
7:20 pm [ Quote ]
Dude come up with your own ideas, #18 was copy and pasted off of one the numerous far left websites, that is a fact. Spamming is common tool used by trolls, they get some talking pionts and then copy and paste them all over the place. If you put post #18 into Google you will get hundreds of hits. Why don’t you run along with canned talking points and try pass them off as your own work. I don’t feel like debating a dishonest plagiarist(which I gather isn’t a big deal for you).
BAH BAH Sheep, just keep saying two feet good, four feet bad, or whatever your higher ups are telling you these days.
they say the first sign of insanity is fighting for what you want in the SAME WAY, over-n-over again, expecting different results.
again, you meticulously followed your own handbook, HOW TO DEBATE by Harmonica, by rigidly following rules #1 (avoid the issue), #2 (still hung up on the trivial “copying & pasting”), #3 (“talking points” again) and #4 (name-called again; “sheep.”)
i know a great therapist if you want his number. seriously, “dude.”
7:46 pm [ Quote ]
Dude come up with your own ideas, #18 was copy and pasted off of one the numerous far left websites, that is a fact. Spamming is common tool used by trolls, they get some talking pionts and then copy and paste them all over the place. If you put post #18 into Google you will get hundreds of hits. Why don’t you run along with canned talking points and try pass them off as your own work. I don’t feel like debating a dishonest plagiarist(which I gather isn’t a big deal for you).
BAH BAH Sheep, just keep saying two feet good, four feet bad, or whatever your higher ups are telling you these days.
they say the first sign of insanity is fighting for what you want in the SAME WAY, over-n-over again, expecting different results.
again, you meticulously followed your own handbook, HOW TO DEBATE by Harmonica, by rigidly following rules #1 (avoid the issue), #2 (still hung up on the trivial “copying & pasting”), #3 (“talking points” again) and #4 (name-called again; “sheep.”)
i know a great therapist if you want his number. seriously, “dude.”
I didn’t expect a different result, you are a troll. I was stupid to feed you though, I admit that. So I will stop.
8:27 pm [ Quote ]
and successfully avoided the entire argument. good show. stick your head back in the sand.
9:14 pm [ Quote ]
and successfully avoided the entire argument. good show. stick your head back in the sand.
Well good luck in your furture spamming about GWB and his qualfications for President when he isn’t even up for election chief. Read a civics book about office terms or something. Just a friendly tip for future trolling write your shit and keep it relevant to the current events.
9:39 pm [ Quote ]
gem:
Can you tell me what is not true on this post below?
Didn’t all of these people mysteriously die while having very intimate connections with Bill and Hillary Clinton?
I would like you to asnswer my questions.
The Clinton Body Count
A number of people connected to Bill Clinton have turned up dead.
James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?
Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
The Botched Ron Brown Investigation
An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski
by Wesley Phelan
Vince Foster – Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation
Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera
Was this just a robbery gone bad? – See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999
C. Victor Raiser II - & – Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.
Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Shelton – Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.
Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
Florence Martin – Accountant – Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.
Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.
Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.
Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.
Stanley Huggins – Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.
Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation. Controversal case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths – plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:
Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988
Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
James Milan – Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters – Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
3:26 am [ Quote ]
gem:
Can you tell me what is not true on this post below?
Didn’t all of these people mysteriously die while having very intimate connections with Bill and Hillary Clinton?
I would like you to asnswer my questions.
The Clinton Body Count
A number of people connected to Bill Clinton have turned up dead.
James McDougal – Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?
Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
The Botched Ron Brown Investigation
An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski
by Wesley Phelan
Vince Foster – Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation
Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera
Was this just a robbery gone bad? – See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999
C. Victor Raiser II - & – Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.
Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
Bill Shelton – Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.
Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
Florence Martin – Accountant – Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.
Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.
Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.
Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.
Barry Seal – Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.
Johnny Lawhorn Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.
Stanley Huggins – Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.
Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation. Controversal case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths – plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:
Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988
Keith McMaskle – Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
James Milan – Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.
Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
Richard Winters – Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan
sure thing, Bill.
All of what you wrote is absolutely true.
Now would you like to tell me what this all adds up to? are you implying Bill Clinton had all these people murdered?
go ahead. make that claim and back it up with some concrete proof. post #18 can be backed up, every single claim, with concrete evidence. all i ever asked was for someone to dispute #18, something both you and side-stepping Harmonica keep avoiding.
fyi. i didn’t vote for Bill Clinton. if it were up to me, i wouldn’t of impeached him for some bullshit perjury charge… i would’ve gone after him for war crimes.
3:36 am [ Quote ]
and successfully avoided the entire argument. good show. stick your head back in the sand.
Well good luck in your furture spamming about GWB and his qualfications for President when he isn’t even up for election chief. Read a civics book about office terms or something. Just a friendly tip for future trolling write your shit and keep it relevant to the current events.
thank you, Side-Stepping Harmonica, for finally trying a different debating tactic. i was getting a little worried about your head.
of course, implying that we shouldn’t criticize our standing president because he isn’t up for re-election is beyond silly. if that’s the case, WHY did the Republicans impeach Clinton if he was on the way out anyway?
impeach Bush. save the Republican party, listen & learn from Buckley, Fukuyama and John Dean. be a Goldwater conservative.
that seems pretty “relevant” to me.