July 28, 2006
(h/t MsUnderestimated)
Senator John Kerry came to UN Ambassador John Bolton’s confirmation hearing at the last minute only to get smacked around by Bolton. Transcript:
SENATOR JOHN KERRY: This has been going on for five years, Mr. Ambassador.AMBDASSADOR JOHN BOLTON: It’s the nature of multi-lateral negations, Senator.
KERRY: Why not engage in a bilateral one and get the job done? That’s what the Clinton administration did.
BOLTON: Very poorly, since the North Koreans violation the agreed framework almost from the time it was signed.
Suggesting we follow what the Clinton administration did, wow.
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3:42 pm [ Quote ]
Wish he had some information to back that up. I mean that seriously, because from what I have seen
http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/NSAG_WorstWeaponsinWorstHands_July2005.pdf
1. George H. W. Bush: one to two bombs’ worth of plutonium
2. Bill Clinton: zero plutonium
3. George W. Bush: 4-6 nuclear weapons’ worth of plutonium
Unless they broke some other part of that framework that is more important, that’s what I know about their WMD program.
3:45 pm [ Quote ]
Mr. Bolton took Mr. Kerry to the cleaners. Typical liberal, insisting that Bolton follow the Clinton plan that was violated and the reason we have the problems we have with N. Korea today. Of course, Kerry is the one that called ‘THE BIG DIG’ in Boston a good investment.
Kerry is an elitist snob that lives in an alternative reality.
4:03 pm [ Quote ]
Wish he had some information to back that up. I mean that seriously, because from what I have seen
http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/NSAG_WorstWeaponsinWorstHands_July2005.pdf
1. George H. W. Bush: one to two bombs’ worth of plutonium
2. Bill Clinton: zero plutonium
3. George W. Bush: 4-6 nuclear weapons’ worth of plutonium
Unless they broke some other part of that framework that is more important, that’s what I know about their WMD program.
You gotta be kiddin me x2x, this is the most biased thing i have ever seen. Nor does it really show any type of real legal evidence, just hersay and conjecture evidence. It was nice for the sources it cited, being 0, and finalyl i like the part were it said Norht Korea’s nuclear goals are 5 years closer since 9/11. Here is a news flash, people are 5 years older since 9/11.
4:04 pm [ Quote ]
Also to add i guess the fact that it came off a democrat website, should show how objective it really is.
4:15 pm [ Quote ]
I love watching anyone hand Tan-In-A-Can Kerry’s ass to him
4:20 pm [ Quote ]
Suggesting we follow what the Clinton administration did, wow.
Thank you for that nuanced and thoughtful analysis.
4:30 pm [ Quote ]
Apparently Bolton, who skipped a trip to Sudan to go talk at a UK right-wing think tank is far more objective.
I countered a right-winged ambassador’s point with a link from democrats, and apparently I am the only one not being objective.
I can find no credible information that Kim Jong Il restarted his nuclear campaign before 2002. In fact most sources point exactly to 2002.
4:30 pm [ Quote ]
Bob,
Your right about x2x using Dem websites to boost his argument.
Here is what x2x wrote just two threads down on the NSA Leaker Is Subpoenaed To Testify Before Federal Grand Jury thread.
In his post he is commenting on Russell Tice issue.
This guy has one story written about among the echo on right-wing blogs, and you seem to equate that to the mountain of evidence, quotes, policy decisions that people derive their views on Bush from.
LOL It seems x2x is OK fine with his own use of one BIASED source but according to him you can’t use multiple sites with news articles backing them up. LOL IMO, X2x is a duplicitous fool.
4:40 pm [ Quote ]
No you completely took that out of context. What I was arguing was that she was trying to defend someone saying that the “leaker” should be hung. There is no evidence, proof or anything to suggest that this man is guilty yet already people jumped on it. If you looked at that point in context you would realize I was comparing the one story that has no evidence against a man, to the six years of vastly followed and checked office that this president has had.
My source that I posted above was a collection from www.globalsecurity.org findings. Which found that he restarted his uranium in 2002. If you want to refute my points, at least refute them with some evidence contrary to them.
4:41 pm [ Quote ]
Bolton: Love him or hate him.
I LOVE HIM! Give’em Hell John!
4:42 pm [ Quote ]
I caught a little bit of the replay of those hearings this morning on CSpan. It started my day off right seeing Kerry with his head down, rubbing his brow, leaning his head on his hand and shaking his head whenever Bolton would reply to his questions. It took Kerry a while to formulate his questions and he wasn’t speaking all that clearly. You could tell he was feigning disgust for the cameras in the hearing. Bolton kept his head up high and responded confidently and clearly had the upper hand on Kerry.
4:44 pm [ Quote ]
Wait I am confussed. Didn’t Kerry say in 2004, if elected he wouldn’t go it alone in international conflicts?
4:45 pm [ Quote ]
Nice to see Kerry could make the hearing. Doesn’t he have a summer home to go to with Heinz ketchup on tap. He is clearly out of his league with John Bolton.
4:46 pm [ Quote ]
Wait I am confussed. Didn’t Kerry say in 2004, if elected he wouldn’t go it alone in international conflicts?
Excellent point. They don’t call him “flip-flop” Kerry for nothing.
4:48 pm [ Quote ]
Bolton: The Man, with hard facts
Kerry: Girly-Man, with talking points
What did you expect in these hearings?
4:48 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
4:56 pm [ Quote ]
I think Kerry needed a drink after that one. Maybe he should head over to Mel Gibbons’ house? Oooh, you guys like that one? How do you like me now? And why does John Bolton choose to look like a Mr. Potato Head toy with that mustache?
5:01 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Sorta like, uh …. Olbermann?
Yeh, your right. That sly Kerry really ripped Bolton a new one.
Dream on silly boy.
5:04 pm [ Quote ]
I think Kerry needed a drink after that one. Maybe he should head over to Mel Gibbons’ house? Oooh, you guys like that one? How do you like me now? And why does John Bolton choose to look like a Mr. Potato Head toy with that mustache?
OK, I’ll play your childish game.
Why does John Kerry choose to look like Lurch with botox?
That’s a 360 slam dunk in your face!
Sorry folks, just speaking LtntWolfenese.
5:04 pm [ Quote ]
I think Kerry needed a drink after that one. Maybe he should head over to Mel Gibbons’ house? Oooh, you guys like that one? How do you like me now? And why does John Bolton choose to look like a Mr. Potato Head toy with that mustache?
Imagine that. Didn’t you say that you were DONE commenting on this site a few weeks ago?
Nobody believed you then, so why should it surprise anyone that you couldn’t keep your word.
Your adolescent pats on your back were not missed.
5:06 pm [ Quote ]
[...] The following is a partial transcript of Senator John Kerry questioning John Bolton during yesterday’s confirmation hearing (Via Expose the Left) SENATOR JOHN KERRY: This has been going on for five years, Mr. Ambassador. [...]
5:07 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Sorta like, uh …. Olbermann?
Yeh, your right. That sly Kerry really ripped Bolton a new one.
Dream on silly boy.
He didn’t say Kerry won, nor did the commentary provided for the transcript. Clearly, someone didn’t (can’t) read too well.
5:08 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Sorta like, uh …. Olbermann?
Yeh, your right. That sly Kerry really ripped Bolton a new one.
Dream on silly boy.
“That sly Kerry really ripped Bolton a new one” I never said that…But it wasn’t as one sided as Fox made out, with their clip.
So put your dummy back in and have a suck.
5:10 pm [ Quote ]
x2x
You didn’t look to far when you made this statement.
I can find no credible information that Kim Jong Il restarted his nuclear campaign before 2002. In fact most sources point exactly to 2002.
Try this from The Washington Quarter, who has Zbigniew Brezinski on their board. He just happenes to be the forner national security adviser to President Carter.
The most disturbing aspect of the international nuclear smuggling network headed by Abdul Qadeer Khan, widely viewed as the father of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, is how poorly the nuclear nonproliferation regime fared in exposing and stopping the network’s operation. Khan, with the help of associates on four continents, managed to buy and sell key nuclear weapons capabilities for more than two decades while eluding the world’s best intelligence agencies and nonproliferation institutions and organizations. Despite a wide range of hints and leads, the United States and its allies failed to thwart this network throughout the 1980s and 1990s as it sold the equipment and expertise needed to produce nuclear weapons to major U.S. enemies including Iran, Libya, and North Korea.
Read this too:
A.Q. Khan’s network is reported to have played a significant role in North Korea’s nuclear program, providing it with an alternative way of manufacturing nuclear fuel, after it agreed under the 1994 Agreed Framework to freeze its reactors and reprocessing facilities. In all, A.Q. Khan’s network provided North Korea with both centrifuge designs and a small number of actual, complete centrifuges, in addition to a list of components needed to manufacture additional ones.
It is also in 1994 that then Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto traveled to North Korea reportedly at the request of the then-army chief of staff, Gen. Abudl Waheed. Buttho claimed that Pakistan paid for North Korean assistance, returning, at Khan’s insistence and desire for nuclear-capable long range missiles, from a trip to Pyongyang with computer disks containing specifications for missiles. Somome sources are, however, reportedly claimed that lack of money on Pakistan’s part made trading easier.
A few months later, A.Q. Khan made the first of what would be about 13 trips to North Korea, as part of a Pakistani delegation to Pyongyang, composed of both scientists and military officers. At that time Musharraf was Waheed’s director general for military operations. While there, he is said to have helped N. Korea with the design and equipping of facilities focused on the enrichment of uranium in exchange for North Korean assistance in the area of missile technology. Khan confessed to helping North Korea with the knowledge and approval of senior military commanders, among which two army chiefs and Musharraff. Waheed was subsequently replaced in January 1996 by Gen. Karamat who secretely travelled to North Korea in December 1997.
Khan has claimed that Karamat was also aware of the terms of the barter deal between N. Korea and Pakistan, since Pakistan successfully test-fired a Ghauri missile in April 1998. Implicit are claims that Musharraf must have been aware of the Pakistani-North Korean agreement given that after becoming army chief of staff in October 1998, Musharraf also took over the Ghauri program.
In exchanged, North Korea is ordered for the delivery of P-1 centrifuge components between 1997-1999, with A.Q. Khan’s network providing direct technical assistance between the years 1998-2000.
All you need to do is do a Google search on ‘AQ Khan North Korea’ and you will find ALL the credible information you ever wanted on this subject. These sources ALL point to the NK’s Nuke Program was ongoing WAY before 2002.
5:15 pm [ Quote ]
I think Kerry needed a drink after that one. Maybe he should head over to Mel Gibbons’ house? Oooh, you guys like that one? How do you like me now? And why does John Bolton choose to look like a Mr. Potato Head toy with that mustache?
Imagine that. Didn’t you say that you were DONE commenting on this site a few weeks ago?
Nobody believed you then, so why should it surprise anyone that you couldn’t keep your word.
Your adolescent pats on your back were not missed.
I did say that, but if you believed that, then you must me so gullible to have even believed in the whole WMD lie for Iraq! This is just a short return for me anyway, until the Mount Soledad filth is nothing but rubble. Then I’ll come back for the real fun.
5:16 pm [ Quote ]
LtntWolfe, sorry I have to leave your playpen now and return to the adults.
HappySchmucker, When did I say you said it? I’m the one who said it. It’s called sarcasm. Dope.
5:16 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Uksmoker…thanks for that link. I’d like to see the entire video if anyone knows where it is.
Its always good for a laugh when kerry pontificates.
I particularly liked when kerry said “Most of the people that I’ve talked to spent a lot of time in various thoughtful institutions thinking about these issues”
That’s one of the best lines ever. I can just picture him saying it with that put on boston deep voice. Almost sounds a little like walter cronkite
5:22 pm [ Quote ]
Opps, Sorry forgot to include the links.
Here is the one for the Washington Quarterly
http://www.twq.com/05spring/index.cfm?id=147
x2x it is interesting you mention GlobalSecurity.org
Here is what they have to say about NK’s Nuke Program. This should satisfy your test for credible information.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/khan-dprk.htm
It is also in 1994 that then Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto traveled to North Korea reportedly at the request of the then-army chief of staff, Gen. Abudl Waheed. Buttho claimed that Pakistan paid for North Korean assistance, returning, at Khan’s insistence and desire for nuclear-capable long range missiles, from a trip to Pyongyang with computer disks containing specifications for missiles. Somome sources are, however, reportedly claimed that lack of money on Pakistan’s part made trading easier.
A few months later, A.Q. Khan made the first of what would be about 13 trips to North Korea, as part of a Pakistani delegation to Pyongyang, composed of both scientists and military officers. At that time Musharraf was Waheed’s director general for military operations. While there, he is said to have helped N. Korea with the design and equipping of facilities focused on the enrichment of uranium in exchange for North Korean assistance in the area of missile technology. Khan confessed to helping North Korea with the knowledge and approval of senior military commanders, among which two army chiefs and Musharraff. Waheed was subsequently replaced in January 1996 by Gen. Karamat who secretely travelled to North Korea in December 1997.
Here is credible information showing NK’s Nuk ptogram WAY BEFORE 2002.
5:22 pm [ Quote ]
“I did say that, but if you believed that, then you must me so gullible to have even believed in the whole WMD lie for Iraq!”
I guess you overlooked my second sentence:
Nobody believed you then, so why should it surprise anyone that you couldn’t keep your word.
Secondly, if you are waiting for the Mt. Soledad to be removed for good, you are going to be waiting a long time.
It’s not going to happen.
5:24 pm [ Quote ]
[...] View the link here to see the video. [...]
5:24 pm [ Quote ]
LtntWolfe, sorry I have to leave your playpen now and return to the adults.
HappySchmucker, When did I say you said it? I’m the one who said it. It’s called sarcasm. Dope.
Typical right wing…Having to resort to name calling “HappySchmucker”
5:33 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Uksmoker…thanks for that link. I’d like to see the entire video if anyone knows where it is.
Its always good for a laugh when kerry pontificates.
I particularly liked when kerry said “Most of the people that I’ve talked to spent a lot of time in various thoughtful institutions thinking about these issues”
That’s one of the best lines ever. I can just picture him saying it with that put on boston deep voice. Almost sounds a little like walter cronkite
C-SPAN (real player file) has the entire hearing on it’s site…kerry starts his 10 min round at 3:19:30
if you ask me kerry still gets his ass beat…Newt & Bolton for 08!!
5:34 pm [ Quote ]
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/intl/intl072706_bolton.rm
sorry this one
5:39 pm [ Quote ]
Wait I am confussed. Didn’t Kerry say in 2004, if elected he wouldn’t go it alone in international conflicts?
Great observation
5:44 pm [ Quote ]
x2x,
You wrote:
My source that I posted above was a collection from www.globalsecurity.org findings. Which found that he restarted his uranium in 2002. If you want to refute my points, at least refute them with some evidence contrary to them.
I’d like to read what you found. Can you provide me the links, please.
Thanks
5:51 pm [ Quote ]
“By taking possession of the 8,000 spent fuel rods in late December 2002, the North could conceivably begin producing plutonium-based bombs in as little as six months—by late June 2003.”
“n an announcement that shocked the world, Washington said on 16 October 2002 that North Korea had admitted to secretly developing uranium enrichment technology for nuclear weapons, in violation of the 1994 agreement with the US.”
“By the end of 2002 North Korea said it was lifting the freeze on facilities frozen under the agreed framework between the United States and North Korea, including a nuclear reactor at Yongbyon.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/nuke2002.htm
5:56 pm [ Quote ]
Special Report Cut Video Clip of Kerry/Bolton Confrontation to Give Appearance Bolton “Won”
Nothing knew…Fox editing to fit their agenda.
Read full transcript at link above.
Uksmoker…thanks for that link. I’d like to see the entire video if anyone knows where it is.
Its always good for a laugh when kerry pontificates.
I particularly liked when kerry said “Most of the people that I’ve talked to spent a lot of time in various thoughtful institutions thinking about these issues”
That’s one of the best lines ever. I can just picture him saying it with that put on boston deep voice. Almost sounds a little like walter cronkite
C-SPAN (real player file) has the entire hearing on it’s site…kerry starts his 10 min round at 3:19:30
if you ask me kerry still gets his ass beat…Newt & Bolton for 08!!
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/intl/intl072706_bolton.rm
sorry this one
also id like to add this supposed “watchdog” site that UKHuffSmoker sites does not give you bolton’s response to kerry at the very end of his tirade
6:00 pm [ Quote ]
Bolton Slaps Down Kerry…
Do you want evidence of why John Kerry should never be president? Expose the Left has it for you, from the Bolton Confirmation hearing. SENATOR JOHN KERRY: This has been going on for five years, Mr. Ambassador. AMBASSADOR JOHN BOLTON:......
6:23 pm [ Quote ]
Kerry still is in love will Bill Clinton. Funny he can’t come up with solutions on his own. He has to quote failed ideas from his past.
Good luck with that.
6:39 pm [ Quote ]
“By taking possession of the 8,000 spent fuel rods in late December 2002, the North could conceivably begin producing plutonium-based bombs in as little as six months—by late June 2003.”
“n an announcement that shocked the world, Washington said on 16 October 2002 that North Korea had admitted to secretly developing uranium enrichment technology for nuclear weapons, in violation of the 1994 agreement with the US.”
“By the end of 2002 North Korea said it was lifting the freeze on facilities frozen under the agreed framework between the United States and North Korea, including a nuclear reactor at Yongbyon.”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/nuke2002.htm
X2X,
If I am reading your source correctly, is only saying when NK ADMITTED that they were secretly developing uranium enrichment technology for nuclear weapons. It says nothing about the history of the actual program. My above posts speaks to the history of what NK was doing when. From what I posted it is clear NK was working on it before 2002.
AQ Khan confessed he was helping NK with their Nuke program During GHW Bush Admin and throughout the Clinton Admin. Here is what GlobalSecurity writes about AQ Khan’s confession.
In his startling televised confession Wednesday, Abdul Qadeer Khan insisted he acted without authorization in selling nuclear technology to other governments. A.Q. Khan admitted selling nuclear technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. A.Q. Khan asked for clemency, but the Pakistani government made no public announcement about whether he is to be prosecuted. The confessed proliferation took place between 1989 and 2000, though it is suspected that proliferation activities to North Korea continued after that date. The network used to supply these activities is global in scope, stretching from Germany to Dubai and from China to South Asia, and involves numerous middlemen and suppliers.
I hope you realize the Dem site you used early as a source was written by Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger and Wes Clark, to name a few. All Democrats. These are all People who worked in the Clinton Admin and would 1) want us to think they were not duped by NK - 2) Use their report as a Dem campaign tool. The report doesn’t giving the whole story. Which I don’t blame them, that’s politics. We are both smart enough to know that.
We both agree the GlobalSecurity is a credible source. They clearly show NK was truly working on their Nuke program during and thru the GHW Bush, Clinton and GW Bush Admin.
Are you seeing the whole picture now?
It took place in Republican and Democratic Administrations. NK was working on their program from at least 1989 thru 2000, and continued in 2002 thru today.
I hope I provided you with the credible information you needed.
Now, do you realize NK was working the entire time on their Nuke progtam?
6:51 pm [ Quote ]
[...] 1. Bolton versus Kerry. Ian has video. You know you’re a dork when a snarky partisan exchange about the merits of bilateral negotiations gets your blood up. Well, mine’s up. This is fun, too: Bolton’s wife, Gretchen, followed her husband’s lead by emanating disrespect for her husband’s critics. Sitting just behind him, she wore sunglasses for much of the hearing, in an apparent response to the room’s lighting. When Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts began to speak, she started doodling a large “X” on a piece of paper, while muffling scornful chuckles that appeared to emphasize her opinion of the one-time presidential candidate. [...]
6:58 pm [ Quote ]
I don’t doubt for a second that NK didn’t follow the 1994 agreement. I don’t doubt for a second that NK researched and prepared to make nukes. What I do doubt is that this conspiracy that somehow Clinton is the root cause of these NK problems we have today is ludacris. No one has controlled the NK problem very well, but in my eyes if anyone did it the best it was Clinton, North Korea is much more of a threat now then it was anytime in the Clinton administration and this president has had 6 years to deal with them in which time they have only progressed their wants for nukes.
7:01 pm [ Quote ]
I’m John Kerry and I can solve all the world’s problems. I won’t tell you how I’ll solve the world’s problems until you elect me and I can look at the books.
I must go, Teresa & my private jet is gassed up to go to Hyannis where we’ll spend the weeking over cocktails with Teddy. I think I’ll have Teresa ride back to the airport with him.
7:22 pm [ Quote ]
I’m John Kerry and I can solve all the world’s problems. I won’t tell you how I’ll solve the world’s problems until you elect me and I can look at the books.
I must go, Teresa & my private jet is gassed up to go to Hyannis where we’ll spend the weeking over cocktails with Teddy. I think I’ll have Teresa ride back to the airport with him.
Gude Wahnn!
7:41 pm [ Quote ]
Why Colonel Mustard still at the U.N.?
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Colbert-Bolton.wmv
Bill clinton was a better president than Bush and I didnt voted against clinton.
So sad that breaking the law isnt as important as getting a Blow Job in the oval office. Where are the conservatives priorities?
8:54 pm [ Quote ]
The fingers pointed at Clinton are pointed at his administration giving him nuclear technology, without which Kim would not have completed his nukes so soon. All Kim has to perfect now his his delivery systems, which he has never stopped working on.
And this whole thing of ‘They have more Nukes now then they did then’ . . are people forgetting about Pakistan and India in `98? No wonder there is not evidence of NK nuke program before 2002 when until the test the CIA didn’t even know Pak and India were working on them. Not enough phone traffic being tapped I guess
About the Bolton vs Kerry. I love the way Bolton would roll his eyes at Kerry, and the look he gave him when he said ‘NK got the point’ and Kerry reponded with ‘What point was that’, it sooo reminded me of Groucho shooting Chico a look when he said ‘ah, everyone knows there is no sanity clause’ (say it out loud).
Kerry couldn’t believe the way he was being talked too either. Check him right after Bolton says ‘You got that right’
I also wanna add, Bolton knows when an interrogator is trying to corner him. Handled himself like a very very skilled diplomate.
Diplomacy isn’t just compromise, it’s also knowing when to draw the gun and saying ‘you dealin from the bottom of the deck I see’
9:35 pm [ Quote ]
X2X,
I hope you don’t count me in on our supposed “conspiracy”. I am not sure where you come up with the idea that there is a “conspiracy theory” that there is a “conspiracy” to get Clinton. If you noticed I mentioned several times it took place in Republican and Democratic Administrations. My only point was it happened BEFORE 2002 as YOU stated.
You wrote: Wish he had some information to back that up. I mean that seriously, because from what I have seen… Then you linked to Democrat talking points, which seem to conspire to blame the Bush’s for a problem that has been created over years by BOTH Parties.
Then you wrote: I can find no credible information that Kim Jong Il restarted his nuclear campaign before 2002. In fact most sources point exactly to 2002.
Then you wrote: My source that I posted above was a collection from www.globalsecurity.org findings. Which found that he restarted his uranium in 2002. If you want to refute my points, at least refute them with some evidence contrary to them.
At your request, I proceeded to provide you with the credible information and the evidence contrary to your assertions. Please note I did this WITHOUT casting aspersions on Clinton. However, you seem to want to only blame the Bush’s. Which as I demonstrated and in your last post you agreed to the premise that it happened during Republican and Democratic Administrations.
It now appears you are moving the goal posts after I provide you with the requested credible information and the evidence contrary to your ORIGINAL assertions that it only started after 2002.
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion that Clinton did it best. Keep in mind what they say about opinions. Something like, opinions are like a$$hole, we all have one.
Then you wrote: North Korea is much more of a threat now then it was anytime in the Clinton administration and this president has had 6 years to deal with them in which time they have only progressed their wants for nukes.
Well, you have hit upon a real truth when you made that statement. The truth is, that is the nature of things such as this. It is like saying we are closer to our destination 4 hours after we start driving then when we were 1 hour after we started driving. This line of reasoning may be where you got the idea that there is a “conspiracy theory” that there is a “conspiracy” to blame Clinton. It was true when Clinton left office and when Bush first took over too. Unfortunately, it will probably be true when the next President takes over in 2009 too.
Was Clinton really doing as good of a job as you think? Let’s go to the transcript.
Meet the Press – Sept 12, 2004
Tim Russert talking to Madam Albright.
Question: ‘But didn’t North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton’s watch?’
ALBRIGHT: No. What they were doing, as it turns out, they were cheating, and the reason that you have arms control agreements is you don’t make them with your friends, you make them with your enemies, and it is the process that is required to hold countries accountable. The worst part that has happened, under the agreed framework, there was the—these fuel rods, the nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as far as we know, and North Korea has a capability which at one time might have been two potential nuclear weapons, up to six to eight now. We’re not really clear. But in this period of time when there has not enough action been taken, I think that the threat from North Korea has increased.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5981265/
If Albright knew they were cheating Clinton knew.
You used this http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/NSAG_WorstWeaponsinWorstHands_July2005.pdf as you first source today. It was prepared in July of 2005, nine months after Albright admitted to Russert the Clinton Administration knew NK cheated on their watch. In that document anywhere did she state that they knew NK was cheating? If not why?
I am not saying Clinton was worse or he was the “root” of the problem. I am saying the situation wasn’t as rosy then as you have been lead to believe by Madeline Albright et al. It appears the Clinton Administration doesn’t want it widely known that NK’s cheated during their watch.
Note: I have NOT cast aspersions on any administration. I was answering your request for credible information. Which I did and you agreed with it. This post again answers your questions. Now my question to you is:
Where are you going to move the goal post next?
9:35 pm [ Quote ]
Why Colonel Mustard still at the U.N.?
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Colbert-Bolton.wmv
Bill clinton was a better president than Bush and I didnt voted against clinton.
So sad that breaking the law isnt as important as getting a Blow Job in the oval office. Where are the conservatives priorities?
Breaking the law as in perjury. Its not about a blow job but lying under oath. If you or I did that our butts would be sitting in jail,but I guess you liberals give Saint Clinton a pass on that. Put down the Kool-aid and stop lying to yourselves.
10:20 pm [ Quote ]
MR. RUSSERT: But didn’t North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton’s watch?
MS. ALBRIGHT: No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were cheating. And the reason that you have arms control agreements is you don’t make them with your friends, you make them with your enemies. And it’s the process that is required to hold countries accountable. The worst part that has happened under the agreed framework, there was these fuel rods, and the nuclear program was frozen. Those fuel rods have now been reprocessed, as far as we know, and North Korea has a capability, which at one time might have been two potential nuclear weapons, up to six to eight now, we’re not really clear. But in this period of time when there has not enough action been taken, I think that the threat from North Korea has increased.
10:36 pm [ Quote ]
No, what they were doing, as it turns out, they were cheating.
SHERMAN: I understand Secretary Perry’s enormous frustration. At the beginning of the Bush administration, six years ago, North Korea had enough plutonium for one or two nuclear weapons, plutonium that was created during father Bush’s term in office. No plutonium was created during the Clinton administration. And now, six years after the beginning of George W. Bush’s presidency, North Korea has enough plutonium for six, eight, or ten nuclear weapons. So we certainly haven’t made progress over the last six years.
Even Brian Kilmeade’s not buying this, says, “You mean the North Koreans only started enriching plutonium during the transition from Clinton to Bush?”
SHERMAN: It is not entirely clear. Intelligence sources tell me that they were attempting to getting—getting centrifuges at the end of the Clinton administration, but the full-fledged highly enriched uranium program didn’t begin until later.
RUSH: Right. So it all happened right there in the transition from Clinton to Bush 43. Even Brian Kilmeade is not buying this. She says “intelligence sources” told her that they attempted to get centrifuges at the end of the Clinton administration. Didn’t the same intelligence sources tell her and Clinton and Albright that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction in 1998? Yes. All right, so what have we established here? Based on testimony on Fox and Friends and from Madam Albright herself last night on Larry King Alive, the problem in North Korea started with Bush 43, it was subsided and dealt with perfectly during the eight years of the Clinton administration, there was nothing that went wrong there, didn’t ramp up any nuclear weapons, didn’t enrich any plutonium. We did our job really well, and then Bush 43 came in and it was all over. That’s when they started enriching plutonium and our intelligence sources say so. Okay? Let’s go back to September 12th of 2004, Meet the Press, Tim Russert talking to Madam Albright. Question: “But didn’t North Korea develop a nuclear bomb on Bill Clinton’s watch?”
10:41 pm [ Quote ]
It is absurd to the highest degree to think that North Korea wasn’t “cheating” during the Clinton administration and even Wendy Sherman said that they didn’t have “clear intelligence” but instead of making the assertion, based on prior behavior of North Korea that they WOULD cheat, she chose instead to try and lay the blame at the feet of the Bush Administration.
It’s not possible. Any clear minded person from watching what North Korea’s behavior has been understands that they were most probably, to a very high degree, cheating and developing weapons even prior to being “caught” by the Clinton Administration in 1998.
I know some of you dislike the Bush Administration, but honestly look at North Korea’s behavior, the pattern of lying, deceit, “cheating” and now rebuking the U.N., you cannot in good conscience say that this all just happened on Bush’s watch, you’re being very dishonest in your view and rhetoric if you do.
11:41 pm [ Quote ]
I think Kerry needed a drink after that one. Maybe he should head over to Mel Gibbons’ house? Oooh, you guys like that one? How do you like me now? And why does John Bolton choose to look like a Mr. Potato Head toy with that mustache?
Jesus loves you and we are still praying for you.
2:40 am [ Quote ]
I wish we had a Congress full of people like John Bolton.
2:56 am [ Quote ]
Wish he had some information to back that up. I mean that seriously, because from what I have seen
http://democrats.senate.gov/pdfs/NSAG_WorstWeaponsinWorstHands_July2005.pdf
1. George H. W. Bush: one to two bombs’ worth of plutonium
2. Bill Clinton: zero plutonium
3. George W. Bush: 4-6 nuclear weapons’ worth of plutonium
Unless they broke some other part of that framework that is more important, that’s what I know about their WMD program.
Yeah, that’s an objective source. Good thinkin’.
10:32 am [ Quote ]
Oh, I get it. It’s CLINTON”S fault NK is angry at us and ready to nuke us. I couldn’t be that Bush ignored them and called them one of his ‘axis of evil.’ Could it?
11:12 am [ Quote ]
I wish we had a Congress full of people like John Bolton.
Me, too!
11:15 am [ Quote ]
Oh, I get it. It’s CLINTON”S fault NK is angry at us and ready to nuke us. I couldn’t be that Bush ignored them and called them one of his ‘axis of evil.’ Could it?
I don’t think anyone is asserting that it’s ALL Clinton’s fault, but it’s certainly disingenuous to have someone like Wendy Sherman and Madeline Albright characterize the situation in as much that all the “bad” happened on President Bush’s watch. It’s inappropriate.
12:43 pm [ Quote ]
Watch the full Bolton/Kerry exchange, Kerry gets his ass kicked for 15 minutes straight!
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/intl/intl072706_bolton.rm
Shorter link:
http://tinyurl.com/pzr9u
Skip to 3:20 on the video (close to the end).
(A few seconds of the video are garbled, but that’s apparently how it was originally recorded.)
Kerry was completely hammered, well worth watching the full 10+ minute exchange.
3:58 pm [ Quote ]
That was excellent commentary, Ordi. Very thorough and objective. We could always use more commenters like that.
4:13 pm [ Quote ]
What I don’t get is, why is kerry grilling him on one on one talks? Bolton is up for Amb. to the U.N. and one on one talks aren’t his job. That would be the job of Sec. Rice.
4:43 pm [ Quote ]
Watch the full Bolton/Kerry exchange, Kerry gets his ass kicked for 15 minutes straight!
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/intl/intl072706_bolton.rm
Shorter link:
http://tinyurl.com/pzr9u
Skip to 3:20 on the video (close to the end).
(A few seconds of the video are garbled, but that’s apparently how it was originally recorded.)
Kerry was completely hammered, well worth watching the full 10+ minute exchange.
It’s John Bolton at his best; did you notice the eye rolling at Kerry’s inability to understand the facts at hand?
What I don’t get is, why is kerry grilling him on one on one talks? Bolton is up for Amb. to the U.N. and one on one talks aren’t his job. That would be the job of Sec. Rice.
...and wasn’t it Kerry, who in the 2004 campaign made an issue in the debates about the United States “going it alone” into Iraq? One would think that given that position he would be happier that the administration is going into the 6 party talks with other nations on board.
5:03 pm [ Quote ]
That was excellent commentary, Ordi. Very thorough and objective. We could always use more commenters like that.
Thanks JohnJ. That is what I was aiming at. I don’t always accomplish it but I try.
5:28 pm [ Quote ]
WSJ: Leslie Gelb’s Culture of Repeated Mistakes…
Gelb’s brilliant plan: appease despots and terrorists by sending… wait for it, wait… for… it… diplomats! And negotiating! Absolute genius. No mention, though, of fellow CFR board-member Madeline Albright’s disastrous negotiations with Kim Jo…
11:38 pm [ Quote ]
another episode of “as the flip flapper flips”