July 19, 2006
To coin a phrase from Ace, “Because Americans have a Constitutional right to be murdered by Islamists.”
In an effort to determine the breadth of the Bush administration’s massive surveillance programs, the American Civil Liberties Union today filed Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests with several government agencies seeking details of financial tracking efforts not only with regard to the SWIFT program revealed in June, but also several other financial organizations that ACLU research indicates are likely targets.“The American public has a right to know just how many spying programs this administration has created without Congressional authorization or judicial oversight,” said Barry Steinhardt, Director of the ACLU’s Technology and Liberty Project. “We hope these official requests will help answer that question – and if illegal spying is taking place we will demand an end to it.”
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5:22 pm [ Quote ]
In an open society with a government for and by the people we deserve to know what our President is doing. Just trusting him with unchecked power is not wise. He can say he is doing what hes doing to protect us but what if he is doing something else? Well we wouldn’t know would we?
This is a President who continually lies to the American people. Has criminal buddies in Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff but we are just supposed to trust him?
If this were Bill Clinton, I’m sure you guys would be supporting the ALCU.
5:22 pm [ Quote ]
“The American public has a right to know just how many spying programs this administration has created without Congressional authorization or judicial oversight,”
Why do you hate America and freedom, Ian?
5:26 pm [ Quote ]
Not a chance Rob. Democrat or Republican, the ACLU is an organization hell-bent on the destruction of America. If you follow all of their litigation as a whole, it’s very easy to see. Sometimes you have to step back from the jigsaw puzzle to make out the picture. This is how the ACLU operates. Step back and then wise up!
5:30 pm [ Quote ]
I think the key phrase is “without Congressional authorization or judicial oversight.” In other words, things Bush has authorized that are illegal.
5:33 pm [ Quote ]
Not a chance Rob. Democrat or Republican, the ACLU is an organization hell-bent on the destruction of America. If you follow all of their litigation as a whole, it’s very easy to see. Sometimes you have to step back from the jigsaw puzzle to make out the picture. This is how the ACLU operates. Step back and then wise up!
And they want to destroy America because…? They prefer anarchy? They want to live in Guatemala and can’t afford the drive?
Coulteresque stupidity.
5:38 pm [ Quote ]
As a conservative, I am all for completely surrendering our privacy and our basic civil rights to the one man on this earth in whom we can all (without any hesitation, I’m sure) place our unquestioning faith and trust: George W. Bush. It brings me so much—what’s the word?—comfort.
Just because he told a few lies here and there only means he’s dishonest, that’s all. It does not mean that we can’t trust him. Liberals and homosexuals and feminists and scientists and the Stalinist media and the French, and the rest of Continental Europe, and the rest of the entire world would have you believe otherwise.
5:40 pm [ Quote ]
Perhaps a rephrasing of GBAA’s words, “hell-bent on the destruction of America in its present form.”
ACLU’s America would have us all living in prefab apartments, wearing identical quilted mao-suits, shuffling off to the broom factory everyday and having pedophiles running free.
5:46 pm [ Quote ]
Did you see that everyone?
Stinkin turned our arguments against us…cleverly disguising himself as a conservative and then..HAHAHAHAHA…making sly but jocular comments about Bush.
Hehehe…he almost had me there! I was about to say “Hell yeah brother!” but I caught myself just in time. You cant get us so easily Mr. Clever! HAHHAHAHAHA! Good one!
Hooooooo boy, my sides hurt now!
Anyhow, if only we could get the ACLU to stop supporting terrorists, killers and pedophiles, they might get more respect.
5:48 pm [ Quote ]
This is a President who continually lies to the American people. Has criminal buddies in Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff but we are just supposed to trust him?
Thats a powerful statement, do you have proof and not like he said she said conjecture proof but real hardcore legally filed court of law evidence proof. Also do you have proof of ties to Lay or Abramhoff, i know the Lay ties are pretty loose and the as for the Abramhoff i remember seeing the one picture which the AP had to circle a red circle around jack’s head because he was standing at the way back while bush was in the front shaking peoples hands. HOLY F’IN COW THEY WERE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER ONCE SOUND THE ALARMS THIS IS THE BREAK IN THE STORY.
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5:53 pm [ Quote ]
ACLU’s America would have us all living in prefab apartments, wearing identical quilted mao-suits, shuffling off to the broom factory everyday and having pedophiles running free.
So you’re saying the ACLU advocates sexual relationships between adults and children?
5:53 pm [ Quote ]
And the terrorist just laugh at us waiting to find out exactly how we are fighting the war on terror when the NYT puts it on the front page and then tries to cover their ass and say it was really not a BIG story because the bad guys had to know already blah blah blah…!
And then the limp Libs on the committee that was briefed about said programs will claim they were napping or writing themselves a letter when they were being briefed!
5:57 pm [ Quote ]
ACLU’s America would have us all living in prefab apartments, wearing identical quilted mao-suits, shuffling off to the broom factory everyday and having pedophiles running free.
So you’re saying the ACLU advocates sexual relationships between adults and children?
Not only that, they have no fashion sense! These people must be stopped!
5:58 pm [ Quote ]
Just because he told a few lies here and there only means he’s dishonest, that’s all. It does not mean that we can’t trust him.
Now all of a sudden Fiberals care about the truth…
Anyone remember, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
6:03 pm [ Quote ]
Anyone remember, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
How many people were killed as a result? None? And how many continue to die because of Bush’s lies about Iraq? Are you saying these are equally immoral acts?
6:05 pm [ Quote ]
It kills me to see people try and bash Bush any chance they get. You people are part of the problem and not the resolution. Once again if Bush lied to us then why did the rest of the world say the same shit Bush did? Why did your booty buddy Billy Clinton say the same shit BEFORE BUSH TOOK OFFICE?
Eveyone has been saying the same thing for years. Unfortunately we (The Great US of A) warned and warned and warned of our intent. That gave plenty of time for movement of any weapons to anywhere in the world.
The far left is reaching and grasping straws at every chance to destroy the one controling the House and Senate. They want the power back sooooo bad they will do anything and say anything to regain control. It blows my mind that time after time after time you can have facts put in your face but a blind eye is turned. Even when your arguments are shot down in flames with facts the same bullsh1t continues to be repeated.
I know, I know… There is a saying… Say it long enough, people will believe it. I guess that’s the far lefts goal, keep on saying the BS and the tides will eventually turn in our favor.
6:08 pm [ Quote ]
So you’re saying the ACLU advocates sexual relationships between adults and children?
No, not openly, but they seem to take great interest in supporting as free-speech the words of men who do support and advocate for pedophilia.
And they have no fashion sense. A big no no.
6:14 pm [ Quote ]
Hey kids Iraq was around during Clinton. They were defying the treaty weekly firing missiles at our plane that were enforcing the no fly zones in the north and south of Iraq.
Had France Germany and Russia not sold their UN votes for Oil maybe Sadam doesn’t dare us to invade? I mean he knew he bought and paid for UN votes. Remember pardoned by Clinton Marc Rich?
I mean Clinton did nothing to the terrorists during his 8 years. Embassy bombing, The Cole, World Trade Center the first time, and on on and on…!
6:17 pm [ Quote ]
Lies Lies everybody lies you dumb Dems!
6:22 pm [ Quote ]
Yes yes, we all know how much the liberals care about ‘people’, whether they be soldiers or the teeming masses across the ocean.
Yup, you guys are well-known for your great love of ‘people’, its why you are all getting packed for a six month stint in Darfur to assist the refugees. Right after you stop by to visit the wounded troops at Walter Reed to show your support.
Caring about ‘people’...its the liberal way. Unless youre someone like Coulter, Limbaugh or Bush, then you need to die.
6:31 pm [ Quote ]
Once again if Bush lied to us then why did the rest of the world say the same shit Bush did? Why did your booty buddy Billy Clinton say the same shit BEFORE BUSH TOOK OFFICE?
The rest of the world did not “say the same shit Bush did.” If they agreed with Bush they would have invaded with us, just like in the Gulf War. Perhaps they knew Bush was telling
LIES and
MORE LIES
Clinton advocated action against Saddam based on the information he had at the time, but not an invasion or occupation.
Perhaps Dumbya should have read his daddy’s book:
“Trying to eliminate Saddam…would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible…. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq…. there was no viable “exit strategy” we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations’ mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land.”
-George Herbert Walker Bush from his memoir, “A World Transformed” (1998)
6:34 pm [ Quote ]
Hey kids Iraq was around during Clinton.
Yeah, kids. The obvious implication being that Iraq wasn’t around before Clinton.
Thank heavens we conservatives don’t suffer from selective amnesia or degenerate hypocrisy.
6:38 pm [ Quote ]
Hey kids Iraq was around during Clinton.
Yeah, kids. The obvious implication being that Iraq wasn’t around before Clinton.
Thank heavens we conservatives don’t suffer from selective amnesia or degenerate hypocrisy.
Why not hop into your SUV, go gas her up and then drive off a cliff asswipe!
6:43 pm [ Quote ]
Yes yes, we all know how much the liberals care about ‘people’, whether they be soldiers or the teeming masses across the ocean.
Yup, you guys are well-known for your great love of ‘people’, its why you are all getting packed for a six month stint in Darfur to assist the refugees. Right after you stop by to visit the wounded troops at Walter Reed to show your support.
Caring about ‘people’...its the liberal way. Unless youre someone like Coulter, Limbaugh or Bush, then you need to die.
What an argument!! Unless you’re out there actively helping other people you are not allowed to care about others or express.
And continue your support of the war in Iraq – behind your computer monitor.
6:51 pm [ Quote ]
Hey kids Iraq was around during Clinton.
Yeah, kids. The obvious implication being that Iraq wasn’t around before Clinton.
Thank heavens we conservatives don’t suffer from selective amnesia or degenerate hypocrisy.
Why not hop into your SUV, go gas her up and then drive off a cliff asswipe!
A very elegant and cogently articulated point. The natural conclusion must be that Republicans had nothing whatsoever do to with supporting Saddam Hussein.
You’re obviously not foaming at the mouth with anger and your mind is clearly in good working order.
6:55 pm [ Quote ]
Excellent link Nick but they will not read it because it does not fit into their mentality. This is what I am referring to when the facts are put directly in their face yet they still have the balls to say Bush lied. Bash Bush enough, spout enough rhetoric and maybe the people will follow it to the polls to re-elect us back into power. Forget the truth. Forget what is best for the country. GET BACK IN POWER.
Constantine,
Look at post # 17 and do some research. Those bombings caused deaths against Americans ON CLINTONS WATCH. What was done about it? NOTHING ! ! !
7:09 pm [ Quote ]
These guys sure know how to look out for our best interests, don’t they? I mean, doesn’t everybody feel like Big Brother is watching them? Oh wait, where has Michael Moore been since he made that movie? Did Bush have him detained and put on a bread and water diet? How about Cindy Sheehag—was she silenced too? I mean, she’s been saying all these bad things against our president and our troops and all of a sudden—she’s not on TV anymore! By golly, it must be that AG Gonzales is throwing people in those “secret CIA prisons” so they don’t make us all want to revolt against the dictator Bush!! Speak truth to power people
.... I hope the ACLU has enough foil hats for everyone—stupid commie-lovers!
7:11 pm [ Quote ]
it should be noted, the ACLU has stepped in to defend both Sean Hannity and recently Rush Limbaugh when they were unjustly persecuted.
7:22 pm [ Quote ]
Look at post # 17 and do some research. Those bombings caused deaths against Americans ON CLINTONS WATCH. What was done about it? NOTHING ! ! !
WTC Bombing – In May 1994 Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Mahmud Abouhalima and Ahmad Ajaj were each convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment. At that time OBL was suspected of being involved.
August 20, 1998 – Operation Infinite Reach, a US cruise missile strike on purported terrorist bases in Afghanistan and Sudan. The attack was in retaliation for the bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. The government of Sudan demanded an apology from both the Clinton and Bush Administrations; but none has been given.
December 16, 1998 – Clinton orders strikes on military targets in Iraq.
The USS Cole was attacked in October 2000, just before Clinton left office.
You may think Clinton didn’t do enough to go after OBL, but Bush hasn’t gotten the job done, either. He decided Iraq was more important.
And this has what to do with lying about a blowjob vs. lying about war?
7:35 pm [ Quote ]
The ACLU sued the Boy Scouts in San Diego to prevent them from meeting in a park because they use God in their pledge. (Scary, huh?) This is a clear violation of the first ammendment clause of freedom of exercise of religion. It does not say religion can only be expressed in private. And don’t give me the seperation of church and state argument, it’s not in the constitution. And the Boy Scouts meeting in a public park is not the equivalent of Congress establishing a state religion. Any way, my point is this. They persecute Boy Scouts while at the time defending NAMBLA’s website that tells men how to seduce young boys as a freedom of speech issue. So, yes, the appearance by the ACLU is that they do support pedophila.
7:35 pm [ Quote ]
In an open society with a government for and by the people we deserve to know what our President is doing. Just trusting him with unchecked power is not wise. He can say he is doing what hes doing to protect us but what if he is doing something else? Well we wouldn’t know would we?
This is a President who continually lies to the American people. Has criminal buddies in Ken Lay and Jack Abramoff but we are just supposed to trust him?
If this were Bill Clinton, I’m sure you guys would be supporting the ALCU.
Ken Lay played golf with Bill Clinton. Clinton helped Ken Lay get a $3 billion power plant project in India for Enron.
Four days before the deal went through, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic party.
7:36 pm [ Quote ]
Get the word out about what is contained below. I bet the tax exempt status of this Church will never be questioned, especially since it’s being used for political purposes. Could you imagine a church being used for a Republican sponsored event and the ACLU caught wind of it?
Here’s the info:
Town Hall Meeting on Abuse of Power – Pittsburgh
Join the ACLU and your fellow citizens for a town hall meeting about the ongoing abuse of executive power – and what we can do to fight back.
Featuring:
Greg Nojeim
Associate Director and Chief Legislative Council
ACLU Washington National Office
Doug Shields
Pittsburgh City Councilman, Co-Sponsor of
anti-PATRIOT Act Resolution
Thomas Farrell
Former U.S. Attorney, partner at Reich, Alexander, Reisinger and Farrell
Q & A to follow.
Thursday, July 20th, 7 p.m.
First Unitarian Church
605 Morewood Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA
Free and open to the public – Handicapped Accessible
For more information, please contact us at 412-681-7736.
http://www.aclupa.org/takeaction/actionalerts/constitutionundersiege/notmyamerica/pittsburghtownhallmeeting.htm
7:37 pm [ Quote ]
The ACLU did not have to take either of these cases. They made these choices.
7:54 pm [ Quote ]
What an argument!! Unless you’re out there actively helping other people you are not allowed to care about others or express.
Sound familiar? It should, its similar to the tired, old chickenhawk argument.
And continue your support of the war in Iraq – behind your computer monitor.
What an argument!! Unless you’re out there actively participating in the war effort, youre not allowed to support the war or express. (hint, see first response above)
And continue your support of the downtrodden masses – behind your computer monitor.
9:10 pm [ Quote ]
They’ll really step over the line sooner or later. We’ll be there.
9:27 am [ Quote ]
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11:01 am [ Quote ]
Ok. I stand corrected. Something did happen, I will conceed there were retaliation strikes. I do have to point out though, was it enough? Did those “retaliation” strikes STOP the violence?
The only thing those panzies will understand is an old fashioned ass whoopin. They cower behind civilians and then have the audacity to scream about innocent people being killed. Not to mention we have so-called “americans” (not capitolized intentionally) who scream the same BS. Not everyone will like a war. There will be casualties with any war or battle or fight.
What never ceases to amaze me is the fact that America has always had to fight for freedom yet there are those who take it for granted. Those who bitch about the deaths caused by the war.
Go back and look at all the wars since America’s inception. Look at the total number of lives lost FOR OUR FREEDOM. Then ask what would happen if we had not fought. What would happen if we DO NOT FIGHT?
Where would America be then?
What would be the world situation?
Do not give me “the Iraqis were not a threat to us” crap either. Hitler wasn’t on our turf and did not strike us. He really wasn’t a threat to America either but left unchecked and he could’ve been. We still fought in that war because America knew he was hell bent on domination. Sound familiar?
Do you honestly think for one minute that Saddam or Osama licks ballsa or the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Al-Zarqawi is not on the same path as Hitler?
They want ISLAMIC DOMINATION. Look at the very SIGNSthe supporters hold up. If left unchecked what do you think would happen?
5:46 pm [ Quote ]
1Rob: 1. Conservatives NEVER support the ACLU, under any circumstances. 2. You cannot prove even one accusation of lying by the President, NOT ONE! 3. Did you ever hear about guilt by association? Every President has close relationships with contributors that later turn out to be crooks or worse. It is the nature of the beast!
Frank: “The American public has a right to know just how many spying programs this administration has created without Congressional authorization or judicial oversight.” Every program has been conducted with Congressional approval and/or with Congressional knowledge, and have been vetted by the Justice Daeprtment. Pretty bad for a government doing things without public knowledge.
This kind of nonsense arises out of blind partisan hatred, liberals believe that accustaions are equal to absolute proof of wrongdoing, if it involves charges against a Republican, no investigations needed, no trial, go straight to the executions.
8:11 pm [ Quote ]
2. You cannot prove even one accusation of lying by the President, NOT ONE!
Dude. I proved this multiple times to you, from multiple sources, and you simply dismiss the witnesses (both from investigative reports AND sources within the government) ad being a bunch of liberals. Your naive and blind allegiance to this President is pathetic.
9:11 pm [ Quote ]
2. You cannot prove even one accusation of lying by the President, NOT ONE!
Dude. I proved this multiple times to you, from multiple sources, and you simply dismiss the witnesses (both from investigative reports AND sources within the government) ad being a bunch of liberals. Your naive and blind allegiance to this President is pathetic.
I appreciate your position, but documents, news articles and etcetera are not proof of lying, they are only accusations. The President has not and indeed cannot now defend himself against most of those things. To be a lie, Bush would had to have overwhelming evidence that something he said was categorically untrue and said it anyway. Basing his decisions on information then, at that time, is much harder than looking backwards. You would also have to accuse Blair, Kennedy, Kerry, Hillary and most Democrats of fostering the same lies, and in fact they made even bolder statements about the intelligence data than did Bush.
You said, “Your naive and blind allegiance to this President is pathetic.” That destroys your credibility, I have quite often said I disagree with the President on things like his illegal aliens policies, his allowing the budget deficit to grow so large and other complaints, so how can a charge of naive and blind allegiance stand against my frequent complaints about him?
Could it be you have naive and blind allegiance to Liberalism?
3:31 am [ Quote ]
To be a lie, Bush would had to have overwhelming evidence that something he said was categorically untrue and said it anyway.
From my favorite VF article:
In light of the many differing viewpoints, the Pentagon asked the National Intelligence Council, the body that oversees the 15 agencies in the U.S. intelligence community, to resolve the matter. According to The Washington Post, in a January 2003 memo the council replied unequivocally that “the Niger story was baseless and should be laid to rest.” The memo went immediately to Bush and his advisers.
Nevertheless, on January 20, with war imminent, President Bush submitted a report to Congress citing Iraq’s attempts “to acquire uranium and the means to enrich it.”
I call that a lie, as most anybody would. You know that with a Republican congress that Bush will never be required to answer for this and other lies, so we both know it’s highly unlikely this will be tested in court.
You’re being disingenuous when you mention comments from Democrats that echo Bush’s sentiments, because those positions were based on Bush’s lie. They unfortunately trusted this President and acted on that basis.
The CIA told Bush repeatedly they didn’t trust the British position, and in fact the Brits have never been able to substantiate it.
My reference to “blind allegiance” was on this particular issue- you seem to dismiss all the evidence to the contrary regarding lies about Iraq. I didn’t mean to suggest you agree with him on every issue, but I understand my comment did read that way.
My only allegiance is to my own conscience. In fact, some comments that are made by war protesters critical of the military cross the line for me, and I don’t support those statements.
5:41 am [ Quote ]
Swingers sex…
Then He slapped my ass and ordered me under the desk. It was then that I knew that this time it was going to push even my whorish limits on performing as His sex slave….