The left are allied with fascists.
They are not even hiding it anymore. Inside the heart of every so-called progressive, there seems to lurk a fascist. If your a progressive, you better deal with this serious problem.

Israel’s actions are far from merciless. Giving the Iranian president moral authority is ridiculous.

Where was KOS when the Hamas was elected? Where was KOS when the Israeli soldier was abducted on Israeli soil?

KOS is simply put siding with terrorists organizations. I only hope that the democratic politicians don’t listen to their crazy constituents and decide that Islamo facists must be dealt with.

KOS is now seditionist.

I HOPE THESE LEFT WINGS WONT WIN THIS YEARS ELECTION!!

this is nothing more then a

Democrats Stunt…

You suppose any Democrap will make a comment about their favorite blog making this rediculous statement…..???

A minor point – what’s with the sic? They didn’t spell anything wrong.

SO?? They make more rediculous statements

I probably hit the ‘sic’ tag by accident.

go israel. everyones always painting them out to be the bad guys, even when they pull their people out of gaza in a show of good-will towards palestinians.

fuck em all

Wow, there’s a sic tag!

Kos Kidz side with America’s enemies. What else is new?

Wow. One of the 100,000 registered Kos members put up a stupid diary that was received rather coldly (read the comments) and didn’t make the recommended diary list. Ergo, the Daily Kos is anti-semitic.

Sorry, you’re going to have to do better than that.

Brilliant catch, Ian. Nail these part-childish, part-vicious leftists to their own computer screens.

Yet again you cherrypick the headlines without telling your readers that almost all of those who have responded to this diary have again strongly opposed the sentiments expressed in the post (I think its total crap as well and they deserve the crap they are getting for posting it), but you just keep putting all liberals in the same basket and believing that the democrats are no threat to you and the kos morons represent all liberals. I guess its all you have left.

I wonder if CNN or MSNBC will do anymore KOS segments.
This anti-American crap will be great to pullout come presidential election time. Howard Dean is a KOS fan isn’t he?

What a bunch of slandering people you have become! Anyone (almost) can post their comments to KOS. KOS does not control who posts a story to its website. So someone who has a different viewpoint doesn’t mean it is KOS himself writing the story. He is just letting other viewpoints be heard.

If you want to know the big difference between his site and this one go read the comments posted there. No one is allowed to call people names like liberal fags and the likes. His site has a little class.

The dumbassdems siding with the likes of the kos kiddies is just another feather in our cap come election time. The funny part is they don’t have a clue as to how they look to most of America. Sure some republicans are pissed but that doesn’t mean they will vote for a party that comes off as anti American. Judging by the comments posted by the leftist who cant pull themselves away from this site, it’s obvious the left is still stuck in the good old’ Bush lied people died scenario that did so well for them the last two elections. Keep up the good work, we appreciate it.

Those Krazy Kos Kids!

Iran and Palestine are nothing short of Nazis. Their behavior and outspoken attitude of Israel is clear, thinking this is anything less is clearly a mistake. But…

...as I mentioned in a previous blog, during WWII just prior to our being involved, it was a global-consciousness that allowed Jews to be the target of genocide, fortunately at least the U.S. is no longer in that mind set.

I was glad to see President Bush’s statement supporting Israel; if you get a chance to catch John Bolton at the U.N. and his statements regarding N.Korea…the guy is AMAZING! We’re very lucky he’s our U.N. Amb.

Stomptheirass said “Anyone (almost) can post their comments to KOS. KOS does not control who posts a story to its website. So someone who has a different viewpoint doesn’t mean it is KOS himself writing the story. He is just letting other viewpoints be heard.”

Kos does not control who posts a story to its website? Get real. Anyone who has a website can control posts to their site. Does KOS allow conservative viewpoints to be posted? Not too many in recent history. In fact KOS goes out of its way to restrict conservative viewpoints. Don’t give me this fertilizer about Kos just allowing various viewpoints to be heard. KOS allows viewpoints they agree with to be heard and you damn well know it.

I just realized that stomptheirass may have had tongue in cheek when he made that post. If so I’ll take it back. If not that was an absurd post

Scooternyc on July 15, 2006 at 5:04 pm said:

Iran and Palestine are nothing short of Nazis. Their behavior and outspoken attitude of Israel is clear, thinking this is anything less is clearly a mistake. But…

...as I mentioned in a previous blog, during WWII just prior to our being involved, it was a global-consciousness that allowed Jews to be the target of genocide, fortunately at least the U.S. is no longer in that mind set.

I was glad to see President Bush’s statement supporting Israel; if you get a chance to catch John Bolton at the U.N. and his statements regarding N.Korea…the guy is AMAZING! We’re very lucky he’s our U.N. Amb.

I agree. I love John Bolton and he has kicked some major butt at the UN over the past year.

Just think, the Dems did everything they could to prohibit him from becoming the UN Ambassador and Bush had to install him into that post by Executive Order because the Dems wanted to filibuster his appointment due to his reputation as a “bully.”

Perhaps a no-nonsense “bully” was exactly what the UN needs.

It was an absolutely brilliant decision and move by Bush and another indication why the Dems should not be in power and making the big decisions during these trying times.

I have plenty of disagreements with Bush, but that move was certainly not one of them.

paul walker on July 15, 2006 at 5:37 pm said:

I just realized that stomptheirass may have had tongue in cheek when he made that post. If so I’ll take it back. If not that was an absurd post

You were right the first time.

That post was not at all tongue-in-cheek because he is a very committed Lefty and a staunch defender of the FAR Left fringe of the Democratic Party.

I think you people need to look up the definition of an anti-semite and anti-semitism. Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism, hatred of Jews is. To be fair, I dont’ see the word “Jew” in that post at all.

are you suprised? Look at the principle of the argument…These people don’t believe in self defense. If someone were to break into their house and point a gun at their child they would ask them to come to the table and talk it over….

They do seem to have a lot of sympathy for criminals but show little concern for victims, especiallly for those who fight back.

So typical of you Ian. Someone criticizes Isreal’s government and all of a sudden they are anti-Semetic. Kind of like when someone criticizes the American government they become anti-American.

By the way, I have spoken to several of my Jewish friends and all of them seem to agree that while Isreal does of course have the right to self-defense, the attacks on civilian infrastructure are out of proportion and a form of collective punishment. I suppoe they are anti-Semetic as well, right?

“RE:Zim Said:
I have spoken to several of my Jewish friends and all of them seem to agree that while Isreal does of course have the right to self-defense, the attacks on civilian infrastructure are out of proportion and a form of collective punishment.”

I don’t believe that for one second!

nick on July 15, 2006 at 6:25 pm said:

“RE:Zim Said:
I have spoken to several of my Jewish friends and all of them seem to agree that while Isreal does of course have the right to self-defense, the attacks on civilian infrastructure are out of proportion and a form of collective punishment.”

I don’t believe that for one second!

And I don’t care if you do. I have several good Jewish friends from my undergrad days in NY. They are mostly liberal and while they certainly defend Israel far more than the extreme left wing nuts out there, they do not see Israel’s reaction and escalation as a positive step. Hunting down terrorists is one thing, bombing civilian power plants, roads, airports, and ports is quite another.

Daily Kos has been totally busted!

If someone broke into my home and took my son (much less three of my sons) I would scorch the earth to punish those responsible. Weren’t Iran and Lebannon on “Munich”’s distribution list? If Bush was half the of what he talked prior to his Axis of Evil speech, this would not have escalated to the brink of WWIII. I’m watching Fox News right now at 4:34 cdt and the pundits de jour are hashing over France’s World Cup debacle? WTF? WHO CARES ABOUT ZIDANE Is it that Newscorp is scared? Jesus you Bushies are backing a loosing horse. This just in! Beltway Boys has Robert Novak! Seriously turn to the hated MSM right now, RIGHT NOW, any MSM channel.

Liberalavenger on July 15, 2006 at 6:10 pm said:

I think you people need to look up the definition of an anti-semite and anti-semitism. Criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism, hatred of Jews is. To be fair, I dont’ see the word “Jew” in that post at all.

According to most dictionaries, anti-Semitism is ‘policies, views, or actions that harm or discriminate against Jewish people.”

The problem is Israel and Judaism and the Jewish race are inseparable. Israel is ruled by and Jews and the state and the people are one and the same.

Zim, you’re so cosmopolitan! Thanks for letting us know that you also have friends of the Jewish faith.

Noodlehead on July 15, 2006 at 6:10 pm said:

are you suprised? Look at the principle of the argument…These people don’t believe in self defense. If someone were to break into their house and point a gun at their child they would ask them to come to the table and talk it over….

But self-defense is a two way street. If someone tries to blow up my house and family, am I not allowed to fight back? Of course. But If I fight back and kill someone who is completely innocent, do they not have a right to fight back?

That is why this circle of violence will never end. Either side will never admit they are patyly responsible.

Yes, oh wise one who realizes the error of his past ways. Much like the USA is run by Americans who tend to be Christians. Follow?

Another front on the war on terror!I say AWESOME! God bless Israel! They’re helping the UN act on yet another resolution they fail to act on.

The problem is Israel and Judaism and the Jewish race are inseparable. Israel is ruled by and Jews and the state and the people are one and the same.

I have a lot of friends who are Jewish and virtually none of them are Israeli. So your argument is factually incorrect.

Also, criticism of Israel’s policies is not inherently discriminatory or hateful toward the state of Israel or Jews, in general. You’re making it sound like criticizing Israel is an attack on the Jewish people as a whole.

Oh but never mind that http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/14/D8IS2DV81.html is now also covering yet more Katrina ineptitude. When the conservative sites choose not just a weekend, but a busy news weekend to own up to issues of this magnitude, it’s a good indication of just how screwed we really are.

The problem is Israel and Judaism and the Jewish race are inseparable. Israel is ruled by and Jews and the state and the people are one and the same.

Except for the more than 20% of Israel’s inhabitans that are not Jewish. Get real, man. Plenty of Israelis themselves criticize their own government’s actions, are you going to call them anti-Semetic too? Just like any other democracy, Israel has multiple political parties and not all of them agree on what the best course of action is at any given time.

Any idea why that “diary” wasn’t pulled but edited?

Care to explain why this liberals?

You’re making it sound like criticizing Israel is an attack on the Jewish people as a whole.

Um, it usually is, or have you not been paying attention…

rapstar: Do the Palestinians and militant Muslims hate the state of Israel or the Jews? They hate the Jews! They hate Jews ruling over Israel! They see Israel and the Jews as one and the same thing!

While your liberal Jewish friends in America may not think of themselves as Israelis, I assure you that militant Muslims hate them all because they are Jews, because all Muslims see all Jews as Israelis and all Israelis as Jews! Yes your liberal Jewish friends may want to feel separate from Israel, but Israel and Jews and Judaism are inseparable to their enemies. You are absolutely wrong!

Peter Gold: When people trying to kill your family are hiding among innocent civilians, are you going to say, ‘Oh well, I’ll just wait until they are standing by themselves?’ Nonsense! If the innocent citizens of Lebanon allow murderous terrorists to hide among them, they are knowingly exposing themselves to serious harm or death; when the terrorists victims strike back and these so-called innocent civilians get killed that is the price they pay for living among murderers. They are not innocent, they are aiding and abetting murderers!

Myshinymetalhiny: Bush has done more than Billy Jeff and other former administrations to try and achieve peace in the Middle East; but (a) We were attacked by Islamic terrorists and we have to deal with the enemy we are fighting. (b) No matter what Bush or Billy Jeff or anyone tries to do – you cannot negotiate with Islamic terrorists, they have only one goal which will never be modified or changed, they want to annihilate all Jews on the earth first, take over Israel for Allah; and cause as many deaths as possible for the Great Satan – America, until their Mahdi comes to rule the world for Allah. (c) If Bush had attacked Iran or Syria or North Korea you liberals would attack him without mercy. If he tries to work within the international community to put pressure on these countries, you liberals attack him without mercy.

Nothing will stop militant Islam, which is most Muslims, except savage military force and the threat of extinction. Yet, even if we dropped the big ones on Syria and Iran, those countries would only stop for a short time, while other Islamic countries picked up the battle; and these countries we attacked will soon get back to attacking Israel without mercy, killing Jews at will, and doing all they can to strike America. Why? The Koran demands that all faithful Muslims kill all opponents of Allah and this spirit of Jihad will never – ever die!

Lastly, Russia, China and France among others do business with these members of the Axis of evil, they want to get oil from them, sell arms to them and profit from coddling militant Islam. Further, Europe and parts of Russia have their own significant Mulsim populations and they don’t want to stir up any more hate among these people living among them. So, we cannot ever get the world to stand against militant Islam, and if America did what it should do: 1. The Democrat Party would fight against any such efforts. 2. The world would condemn us, cut off our sources of oil, ruin our economy and the American people, not willing to make any sacrifices would quickly turn against the administration. So, please can your easy solutions, there are none, and it is wrong to suggest there are!

Zim on July 15, 2006 at 7:18 pm said:

The problem is Israel and Judaism and the Jewish race are inseparable. Israel is ruled by and Jews and the state and the people are one and the same.

Except for the more than 20% of Israel’s inhabitans that are not Jewish. Get real, man. Plenty of Israelis themselves criticize their own government’s actions, are you going to call them anti-Semetic too? Just like any other democracy, Israel has multiple political parties and not all of them agree on what the best course of action is at any given time.

You say these things because you do not understand Israel or militant Islam at all. You have no inkling what that country is all about. Muslims living in Israel do not condider themselves Israelis! Even with different political parties, when they are attacked all Israelis are Jews and they are one in mind and purpose.

To militant Islam and most Muslims Israel and Jews are inseparable!

Peter Gold: When people trying to kill your family are hiding among innocent civilians, are you going to say, ‘Oh well, I’ll just wait until they are standing by themselves?’ Nonsense! If the innocent citizens of Lebanon allow murderous terrorists to hide among them, they are knowingly exposing themselves to serious harm or death; when the terrorists victims strike back and these so-called innocent civilians get killed that is the price they pay for living among murderers. They are not innocent, they are aiding and abetting murderers!

It goes both ways, Umnumzana. Someone who is pro-palestinian usually makes the same argument.

Your argument proves why this conflict will cominue for some time.

Umm,

the argument was not whether militant Muslims make distinction between Jews and Isrealis. We were talking about a poster on a different blog who criticized Israel’s government and is now being called anti-Semetic (by the way Ian, if you want to regain some shred of credibility, you might want to change that title). While the fanatics (on both sides) might not make a distinction between Jews, Isrealis and Isreali government, most civizlied people can.

And, yes, Peter Gold has a point. Umm’s explanation of what warrants Isreal the right to self-defense can just as good as applied to the dozens of civilians that have so far been killed in Lebanon.

Umm, you seem to try to justify attacks on civilians here. When there are criminals in your neighbourhood, is it right to blame you for allowing them to be there? If that is so, then why don’t we just round up entire poor neighbourhoods since it’s almost certain there are gangs among them. Or better yet, bomb the neighbourhood’s bridges and power plants.

And finally, what do you think you would do if one of your loved ones was killed by an airstrake? Would you contemplate the situation, trying to find the root cause of the problem or would you pick a gun and dedicate your life to killing whoever is directly responsible?

Victor Vicodin on July 15, 2006 at 2:47 pm said:

Yet again you cherrypick the headlines without telling your readers that almost all of those who have responded to this diary have again strongly opposed the sentiments expressed in the post (I think its total crap as well and they deserve the crap they are getting for posting it), but you just keep putting all liberals in the same basket and believing that the democrats are no threat to you and the kos morons represent all liberals. I guess its all you have left.

I think most people relieze that moderate liberals aren’t Kos Kids. But the Kos website is the #1 blog on the web and has one of the loudest voices in the ‘progessive’ movement. So it is legit to point this website out, because they aren’t so fringe anymore (Reid and many others spoke at their convention). Just like when Robertson says something stupid the left calls him out, and rightfully so.

Yes your liberal Jewish friends may want to feel separate from Israel, but Israel and Jews and Judaism are inseparable to their enemies. You are absolutely wrong!

It is misguided, in my opinion, to let our enemies define the parameters of the debate. To say that Israelis and Jews are one in the same is buying into these arguments that are based upon hate. I reject not only their beliefs and methodology, but also their definitions. You are inadvertently bolstering their argument by placing Jews and Israel in one unmovable basket.

Peter Gold: Your are right about one thing – ‘this conflict will continue for some time.”

But, there is no comparison whatsoever between the so-called Palestinians and Israel. 1. After Israel in a move towards peace surrendered Gaza back to the so-called Palestinians, the so-called Palestinians have used Gaza to launch rockets against Israel, and they kidnapped an Israeli soldier and refused to return him unless Israel released tens of thousands of Palestinian terrorists in an exchange. 2. Israel went into Gaza to close off Gaza to Egypt and get their soldier back. 3. Hezbollah then, with Syrian and Iranian military support started attacking Israel from Lebanon and kidnapped two more Israeli soldiers. 4. Meanwhile the so-called Palestinians in Gaza have also fired rockets against Israel.

Israel is defending its very existence against murderous terrorists from within so-called Palestine. The so-called Palestians provoked this war and they are the aggressors, not Israel! The so-called Palestinians are kidnappers, murderers and they are incapable of reason, they cannot be negotiated with, their word means nothing.

paul walker on July 15, 2006 at 5:33 pm said:

Stomptheirass said “Anyone (almost) can post their comments to KOS. KOS does not control who posts a story to its website. So someone who has a different viewpoint doesn’t mean it is KOS himself writing the story. He is just letting other viewpoints be heard.”

Kos does not control who posts a story to its website? Get real. Anyone who has a website can control posts to their site. Does KOS allow conservative viewpoints to be posted? Not too many in recent history. In fact KOS goes out of its way to restrict conservative viewpoints. Don’t give me this fertilizer about Kos just allowing various viewpoints to be heard. KOS allows viewpoints they agree with to be heard and you damn well know it.

He does have some restrictions, but it’s mostly on treating others who post with respect, but there are plenty of conservatives posting to the site. You are either grossly mistaken, or are just on of Ian’s buddies who is more interested in spreading lies against those how doen’t agree with you.

anaconda on July 15, 2006 at 5:48 pm said:

paul walker on July 15, 2006 at 5:37 pm said:

I just realized that stomptheirass may have had tongue in cheek when he made that post. If so I’ll take it back. If not that was an absurd post

You were right the first time.

That post was not at all tongue-in-cheek because he is a very committed Lefty and a staunch defender of the FAR Left fringe of the Democratic Party.

Actaully, I vote republican about 75% of the time.

Zim on July 15, 2006 at 6:21 pm said:

So typical of you Ian. Someone criticizes Isreal’s government and all of a sudden they are anti-Semetic. Kind of like when someone criticizes the American government they become anti-American.

By the way, I have spoken to several of my Jewish friends and all of them seem to agree that while Isreal does of course have the right to self-defense, the attacks on civilian infrastructure are out of proportion and a form of collective punishment. I suppoe they are anti-Semetic as well, right?

The purpose of Ian’s posting was not about if someone is anti-Semitic or not, it was a way to slam Kos, maybe out a jealousy because everyone knows who Kos is but almost no one knows Ian. Or because this is how the right works. Just attack everyone you don’t agree with..

I say give Israel 100 billion dollars and send them the Marines, maybe they could do what Bush keeps bungling.

Zim: You are a liberal, therefore you would not fight for or defend anyone or anything. You believe in appeasement and unilateral surrender to our enemies, you know, ‘cut-and-run?’

No, most so-called civilized people do not apply your extreme left wing definition. France, Germany, Russia and most western countries are passionaetly anti-Semitic and they do not differentiate between Jews and Israel. Why has Israel been the center of hatred for most of the world for all of human history? At its heart it is hatred for the Jews and in that hatred the Turks, Arabs, Britain, Rome and others have tried to deny Jews their unique homeland of Israel. It is Jewish hatred and even American Jews are not free from that hatred by their many enemies.

If someone killed my family by an airstrike and I had sufficient weapons, I would launch missiles into the heart of the enemy and civilians be damned! Also, your comparison of criminals in my neighnorhood is asinine in the extreme. These people in southern Lebanon are Muslims, they know they are being used to hide terrorists and for the most part they are in sympathy with the Hezbollah. If I know there are wanted criminals in my neighborhood and I don’t turn them in and do everything I can to make sure the police know they are there and I am not supporting their activites; and the police raid the place and my family gets caught in a crossfire that is my fault, not the fault of the police.

Hamsa, Hezbollah, Iran, syria and all militant Islam is the enemy – not Israel; and Israel has the right to do whatever it takes to defend their land, and if civilian Muslims, that are for the most part, sympathetic to these terrorists – get killed, there is an easy solution. Stop supporting these terrorists, recognize Israel’s right to exist and oppose those who are dedicated to the annihilation of Israel and every Jew on earth.

The purpose of Ian’s posting was not about if someone is anti-Semitic or not, it was a way to slam Kos, maybe out a jealousy because everyone knows who Kos is but almost no one knows Ian. Or because this is how the right works. Just attack everyone you don’t agree with..

That makes sense. I was hoping Ian would have grown beyond that stage. Criticizing anyone for their views on Isreal’s government is perfectly fine, but calling them anti-Semetic is simply idiotic and not to mention an insult to those who have been vicitims of real anti-Semtism.

“Actaully, I vote republican about 75% of the time.” from stomptheirass

Anyone can say stuff like because they think lame comments like that give them credibility. It’s a little like the phonies that uses to say some of my best friends are black. If you have to say it like that it is probably not true

stomptheirass: The United States Marine Corps, and that includes me and my brother; and includes my Nephew and Grandson serving in Iraq, all support President Bush and we do not believe he is bungling anything, so why would we listen to you?

The so-called Palestinians are kidnappers, murderers and they are incapable of reason, they cannot be negotiated with, their word means nothing.

I have to object. This dehumanization of the Palestinians as a whole (you didn’t single out the terrorists) is downright racist, given that you’ve basically reduced them to animals (your comment about their inability to have any form of reason). There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the bad guys but you are treating them as if they’re all the same. Sadly, this is the exact same thing that the people you oppose practice.

Zim: You are a liberal, therefore you would not fight for or defend anyone or anything. You believe in appeasement and unilateral surrender to our enemies, you know, ‘cut-and-run?’

LOL. You seriously make me laugh sometimes, although then I think about the fact that there probably are real people who agree with such a lame attack. In any case, I stand by my words. Plenty of Isrealis have and do criticize their government’s actions – such criticism simply cannot be made equivalent to anti-Semitism.

Regarding your views on civilians, sure, if civilians are helping a terrorist organization, then they are not civilians anymore and can be considered guilty. Your original comment made it sound as if all civilians in that part of the world are guily of aiding and abetting.

If you take a look at some Lebanese blogs, nearly all of them detest Hezbullah but what can these people do? It sure would be nice if the current situation leads to a large anti-Hezbullah movement in the country, but such a movement, even if it materializes, is more likely to cause a civil war more than anything else. On thoe other hand you can be certain that the relatives of the dozens of civilians slain in this conflict will perpetuate the bloodshed once more.

rapstar on July 15, 2006 at 8:32 pm said:

The so-called Palestinians are kidnappers, murderers and they are incapable of reason, they cannot be negotiated with, their word means nothing.

I have to object. This dehumanization of the Palestinians as a whole (you didn’t single out the terrorists) is downright racist, given that you’ve basically reduced them to animals (your comment about their inability to have any form of reason). There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the bad guys but you are treating them as if they’re all the same. Sadly, this is the exact same thing that the people you oppose practice.

Right on spot.

Zim: You are a liberal, therefore you would not fight for or defend anyone or anything. You believe in appeasement and unilateral surrender to our enemies, you know, ‘cut-and-run?’

This is about as disingenous as it gets and is absolutely no different than a liberal saying that “conservatives believe in murdering abortion doctors and lynching black people.” Such hyperbole is hateful and does not engender a meaningful or intelligent debate.

stomptheirass on July 15, 2006 at 8:22 pm said:

anaconda on July 15, 2006 at 5:48 pm said:

paul walker on July 15, 2006 at 5:37 pm said:

I just realized that stomptheirass may have had tongue in cheek when he made that post. If so I’ll take it back. If not that was an absurd post

You were right the first time.

That post was not at all tongue-in-cheek because he is a very committed Lefty and a staunch defender of the FAR Left fringe of the Democratic Party.

Actaully, I vote republican about 75% of the time.

I find that very hard to believe considering that you rip Republicans all the time on this website, but give FAR Left Liberals a pass most of the time.

I’ve read countless posts by you over the last few months and I don’t recall you ever defending or saying anything positive about a Republican whatsoever.

By contrast, few times have I read any criticisms from you about any Democrat, no matter nutty they are or what topic is being discussed on that thread.

Tell us another one.

rapstar:
1st there is no such thing as a unique Palestinian people or Palestine! There ain’t no such animal!

2nd. Which group did the Palestinians by a huge majority vote into power in so-called Palestine? HAMAS! A murderous terrorist group, and the Arab-Muslims living there know they are murderous terrorists! Who did they vote in power until he died? The number one murderer in the world Arafat. Who has been protesting with Hamas in the streets in so-called Palestine? The so-called Palestinian people, the vast majority of them. What is the policy of Arafat’s party (PLO) and Hamas? The extinction of Israel and all Jews on Earth. What has happened to every peace accord? The leaders of the so-called Palestinian people have broken their word and violated every promise they ever made.

So, the vast majority, an almost total majority of Arab-Muslims living in Palestine support the terrorists running their country and their policy of the extinction of every Jew on earth. Are they all the same? The numbers are so high in their hatred of Israel and the Jews that for all intent and purposes, yes they are all the same.

Prove my wrong, tell me the names of people and groups living in so-called Palestine that are publicly resisting the policies of Hamas, the PLO and Hezbollah. Right! You can’t!

rapstar on July 15, 2006 at 8:42 pm said:

Zim: You are a liberal, therefore you would not fight for or defend anyone or anything. You believe in appeasement and unilateral surrender to our enemies, you know, ‘cut-and-run?’

This is about as disingenous as it gets and is absolutely no different than a liberal saying that “conservatives believe in murdering abortion doctors and lynching black people.” Such hyperbole is hateful and does not engender a meaningful or intelligent debate.

No one in the Republican party advocates or supports the murder of abortionists; and as for lynching black people – it was Southern Democrats leading the lynching parties of black people; and it was Southern Democrats voting against the Civil Rights act, which became law because of Republican support and leadership.

On the other hand it is liberals within the Democrat Party leading and supporting the ‘cut-and’run,’ defeatist, unilateral surrender and appeasment policies in this country. If you are a liberal and you do not stand for these things, you need to condemn those policies and refuse to vote for or support any Democrat Party candidate that does! If you do not, then my charge stands true!

Do you think that Israel has every right to kill every (as you say, so-called) Palestinians? Because it really sounds like you’re ready to round them up and put them in death camps. Forgive the sarcasm, but good luck with that Final Solution.

For what it’s worth, in terms of anthropology over the course of human history, the concept of “America” is just about as made up as the concept of “Palestine.” We’re both melting pots, we’ve just done it a lot better

*****THE MORE YOU KNOW *****

If you are a liberal and you do not stand for these things, you need to condemn those policies and refuse to vote for or support any Democrat Party candidate that does! If you do not, then my charge stands true!

I’ve never voted (or would) for anyone who’s actually said we should cut and run, choose appeasement or unilaterally surrender to our enemies. To tell the truth, I’m particularly concerned about that surrender part. Could you please list any Democrats who’ve said we should surrender to all of our enemies? I’d like to make sure I don’t vote for any of them.

No, most so-called civilized people do not apply your extreme left wing definition. France, Germany, Russia and most western countries are passionaetly anti-Semitic and they do not differentiate between Jews and Israel.

You are sure one ignorant and brainwashed person. Most people – including Jews – can easily differentiate between Israel and Jews. However people like you cannot. To you, Israel is the Holy Land and Jews are the chosen people, and therefore they are above criticism and blame.

Just some background for everyone:

The hostility between the Arabs and the Jews goes all the way back to Abraham. The Jews are descendants of Abraham’s son Isaac. The Arabs are descendants of Abraham’s son Ishmael. With Ishmael being the son of a slave woman (Genesis 16:1-16) and Isaac being the promised son who would inherit the promises to Abraham (Genesis 21:1-3), obviously there would be some animosity between the two sons. As a result of Ishmael mocking Isaac (Genesis 21:9), Sarah talked Abraham into sending Hagar and Ishmael away (Genesis 21:11-21). Likely this caused even more contempt in Ishmael’s heart towards Isaac. An angel even prophesied to Hagar that Ishmael would “live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Genesis 16:11-12).

From that beginning, Jews and Arabs have been in hostility with one another for almost 4000 years. Jews and Arabs even fight over which son of Abraham was truly the son of promise. The Old Testament says it was Isaac. The Qu’ran says it was Ishmael. The Qu’ran teaches that it was Ishmael that Abraham almost sacrificed to the Lord, not Isaac. Some Jews and Arabs today don’t even truly know why they are in hostility with each other. All they know is that they don’t like each other and that it has always been that way. Quite a tragic lesson to be learned from Abraham. What would the world be like today if Abraham had trusted God and waited for Him to provide a son through Sarah as He promised instead of trying to “help God” by having a son through Hagar?

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict today has its roots in the Isaac-Ishmael division, but it goes beyond that. After World War II, when the United Nations gave a portion of the land of Israel to the Jewish people, the land was at that time primarily inhabited by Arabs. Arabs protested vehemently against the nation of Israel occupying that land. Arab nations united and attacked Israel in an attempt to wipe them out of the land – but they were utterly defeated by Israel. Ever since, there has been great hostility between Israel and its Arab neighbors. If you look on a map, Israel has one tiny little sliver of land and is surrounded by much larger Arab nations, i.e. Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. People debate back and forth as to the true origin of the Palestinians, but whatever their origin, it is telling that they demand part (or all) of Israel’s land when the Arab nations surrounding Israel have plenty of land. By any objective standard, Israel has a right to exist, a right to defend itself, a right to its land, and a right to retaliate against attacks. Psalms 122:6 declares, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure.”

If you are a liberal and you do not stand for these things, you need to condemn those policies and refuse to vote for or support any Democrat Party candidate that does! If you do not, then my charge stands true!

So in the introduction to each and every one of my comments here I need to put a list of all the democrats and liberals I don’t agree with? Is that the only way you would stop from such blind generalizations? This borders on the insane.

Zim #58 said: “On the other hand you can be certain that the relatives of the dozens of civilians slain in this conflict will perpetuate the bloodshed once more.” So what should Israel do, play nice? Let Hezbollah win by default? Cut-and-run? Set a time table for cessation of hostilities?

While I am sure most of those people living in Northern Lebanon are very unhappy with Hezbollah; and I know the government is powerless to do much about it. But, would you live in the middle of a region (South Lebanon), a high target area for strikes against Hezbollah if you didn’t like what they did? Well, maybe a few cannot leave there for financial reasons and maybe they don’t support Hezbollah; and that is unfortunate for them, but Israel cannot allow their presence there to keep them from striking Hezbollah. By the way, while civilians are indeed getting killed, Israel is trying very hard to launch surgical strikes to minimize civilian casualties!

Lastly you will find damn few Jews there now criticizing what Israel is doing; even Netanyahu the leader of the opposition is supporting the government. Criticism within Israel by Jews is one thing, criticism of Israel outside Israel for the most part, with few exceptions is anti-Semitism, it is hatred of Jews period. Criticism of African-American leaders by African-Americans is one thing; criticism of African-American leaders by non-blacks is more often than not racism. Not a perfect analogy, but you get the idea!

Zim on July 15, 2006 at 9:07 pm said:

If you are a liberal and you do not stand for these things, you need to condemn those policies and refuse to vote for or support any Democrat Party candidate that does! If you do not, then my charge stands true!

So in the introduction to each and every one of my comments here I need to put a list of all the democrats and liberals I don’t agree with? Is that the only way you would stop from such blind generalizations? This borders on the insane.

No not in very post, but over time it would have been clear that you were not walking in lock-step with the liberal leadership. For instance, I have made it clear on numerous occasions that while I support President Bush in the war on terror and his economic policies generally, I have made my feelings about the deficit, border security and other matters known.

I may have missed it, but in every post you appear to be a card-carrying liberal sharing the vast majority of the views of your party.

Oh, by the way, I find most of your responses and beliefs to be bordering on the insane, so I guess we are even now?

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict today has its roots in the Isaac-Ishmael division

Well if people who base their theories on old-testament scripture are trying to find a solution to this problem, then it’s quite obvious why it hasn’t worked out.

After World War II, when the United Nations gave a portion of the land of Israel to the Jewish people, the land was at that time primarily inhabited by Arabs. Arabs protested vehemently against the nation of Israel occupying that land. Arab nations united and attacked Israel in an attempt to wipe them out of the land – but they were utterly defeated by Israel.

That is quite right. I am sure if the UN decided to take your land and give it to some Native American tribe, you’d protest quite a lot too.

If you look on a map, Israel has one tiny little sliver of land and is surrounded by much larger Arab nations, i.e. Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. People debate back and forth as to the true origin of the Palestinians, but whatever their origin, it is telling that they demand part (or all) of Israel’s land when the Arab nations surrounding Israel have plenty of land.

So I suppose if the Chicano Aztlan fanatics want to take New Mexico, Arizona and California and form their own nation, nobody should complain since there is plenty of land in the rest of the US, right?

By any objective standard, Israel has a right to exist, a right to defend itself, a right to its land, and a right to retaliate against attacks. Psalms 122:6 declares, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure.”

I agree with that. The question what portion of the land is Isreal’s land and what form of retaliation is acceptable and most importantly productive in solving the conflict.

Frogcatcher: For the most part we are in agreement about your remarks in post #67. I would add that the Jews were kicked out of Israel by several empires and dispersed throughout the world; when Arabs occupied their land, a land for which they had no historical claim, so even though Arabs were living there until after WW-II when the Jews returned, their temporary occupation of that land gave them no rights to keep it!

Umnumzana,

Good point!

Zim said: ‘That is quite right. I am sure if the UN decided to take your land and give it to some Native American tribe, you’d protest quite a lot too.” Another asinine comparison!

The palestinians were never native to the West Bank, Gaza or any part of Israel, so they could not be kicked out of a land not belonging to them at any time in history,

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers – chiefly from the Mediterranean islands – overran the Philistine districts.

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean “the Philistine Syria” using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman “Provincia Judaea” and so renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”, the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name “Provincia Syria Palaestina” was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized “Palestine” is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the “three Palestines.” After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name “Falastin” that Arabs today use for “Palestine” is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman “Palaestina”.

The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation’s supposed ancient name, though they couldn’t even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity.

So how in the world can you compare a fictional people (Palestinians) to native Americans? There is no such thing as a unique Palestinian people and they have absolutely no historical claim to one inch of Israel.

Umnu, even though we disagree, I have to tip my hat to prolificness in writing. You could probably crank out a book in a week, seriously. Cheers for that.

WTF is the argument about how long war takes? Is there some leftist rule that wars should be over by bedtime or some shit? Inane.

Bla-bla-bla, talk is cheap.

Not one word from the left about the literally hundreds of suicide bombings, rocket attacks and the like on Israeli citizens who were only trying to eat lunch, go to school or shop.

Talk is over, doesn’t matter, Lebanon is being bombed back into the stone age, heh.

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The points:

The article on kos isn’t anti-Semetic, but rather anti-Israli foreign policy.

Innocent children, men, and women can’t be labled guilty by anyone here simply because they live in a certain region of the world. I’d ask if the same people who feel that these civilians are guilty also feel that the people in Hiroshima were guilty because they made weapons for the Japanese army.

Talk is over, doesn’t matter, Lebanon is being bombed back into the stone age, heh.

The fact that anyone would find this heartening is just sick.

Zim on July 15, 2006 at 6:21 pm said:

So typical of you Ian. Someone criticizes Isreal’s government and all of a sudden they are anti-Semetic. Kind of like when someone criticizes the American government they become anti-American.

By the way, I have spoken to several of my Jewish friends and all of them seem to agree that while Isreal does of course have the right to self-defense, the attacks on civilian infrastructure are out of proportion and a form of collective punishment. I suppoe they are anti-Semetic as well, right?

So if Isreal is going to ‘play fair’ it is supposed to limit its retaliations? Maybe Isreal needs to come up with a strike plan, then consult with the UN before making any strikes. Geez…I wouldn’t consult with the UN for a f**king hangnail.
I agree with previous posts stating that we should boot the UN and collect rent for the damn building.

Umnumzana on July 15, 2006 at 9:31 pm said:

Zim said: ‘That is quite right. I am sure if the UN decided to take your land and give it to some Native American tribe, you’d protest quite a lot too.” Another asinine comparison!

The palestinians were never native to the West Bank, Gaza or any part of Israel, so they could not be kicked out of a land not belonging to them at any time in history,

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers – chiefly from the Mediterranean islands – overran the Philistine districts.

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean “the Philistine Syria” using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman “Provincia Judaea” and so renamed it “Provincia Syria Palaestina”, the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name “Provincia Syria Palaestina” was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized “Palestine” is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the “three Palestines.” After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name “Falastin” that Arabs today use for “Palestine” is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman “Palaestina”.

The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation’s supposed ancient name, though they couldn’t even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity.

So how in the world can you compare a fictional people (Palestinians) to native Americans? There is no such thing as a unique Palestinian people and they have absolutely no historical claim to one inch of Israel.

The name “America” comes from Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian Explorer.

[irrelevant bullshit omitted]

“Americans” are not even from America. They started arriving 400 years ago from Europe, with continued immigration from other parts of the world. Then some british dudes declared themselves to be a so-called nation in 1776.

So you see, America is nto a real nation.

Or, we can just accept that Umnumzanza (apologies if I mis-spelled that) is talking out his butt to justify genocide.

So, Bill McGubbin (re post80), you say that America is not a real nation. I suppose that is an honsest statement of what left wingers such as you believe. How so very pathetic. In sharp contrast, there are those of us here who do know that America is a very real nation, who know that America is what Abraham Lincoln called it—the last best hope of earth, who know that where the American flag and the American military go so does the cause of freedom and democracy and thus who sing “God Bless America” with heart and feeling. You see, America is defined by its ideals and the resulting hope that it offers. You really don’t believe that. But I do, and many on this site do.

Bill McGubbin: You are right about the Americas being named after an Italian, I was responding in general to those people native to what we call the America’s.

Everything said about so-called Palestine and the Palestinian people is absolutely true.

There is not one word in any of my posts about genocide of any nationality or people, NOT ONE. However, not unlike the Nazi’s Islam does call for the annihilation of the Jews, which is, according to the dictionary, genocide!

Considering your limited intellect, we were talking about whether or not the Palestinians had any historical claims to Israel, among a much larger discussion; which other posts you apparently did not take the time to read. So, I was simply giving a historic perspective to that limited subject.

Unlike you, I don’t have my head up my ass and therefore unlike you, I am unable to talk using my rectal sphincter.

paul walker on July 15, 2006 at 8:31 pm said:

“Actaully, I vote republican about 75% of the time.” from stomptheirass

Anyone can say stuff like because they think lame comments like that give them credibility. It’s a little like the phonies that uses to say some of my best friends are black. If you have to say it like that it is probably not true

So you are saying that if I don’t beleive exactly as you I can’t be a republican?

First of all, I don’t have to lie to impress a little prick like yourself. I could care less what you fascist little bastards think of me.

Umnum – you were doing all you could to try and justify an ethnic cleansing of the “so-called Panestinians.” You indicted them all in supporting terrorists and hating Jews, and claimed that the deaths of innocent women and children were justified because they weren’t really innocent afterall.

Someone with that type of mentality doesn’t care about the lives of those people, and when you stop caring about human life you’ve lost your humanity.

Umnumzana on July 15, 2006 at 8:32 pm said:

stomptheirass: The United States Marine Corps, and that includes me and my brother; and includes my Nephew and Grandson serving in Iraq, all support President Bush and we do not believe he is bungling anything, so why would we listen to you?

The branch of service I was in we thought the Marines were the sissies.

Anyhow, it doesn’t really matter what you think, the facts speak for themselves.

SO, just because you are a marine doesn’t make you the only one who has fought and bled for this country. Or loves this country. I get so tired of people like you who call me liberal because I don’t like Bush.

Who are you anywho>

Umnumzana is actually John Wayne. More specifically, John Wayne from “The Searchers.” You know, the one where he’s trying to hunt down and kill some so-called Indians. It’s probably okay because they never had a real government and they were actually a bunch of tribes too (and not one people)!

Palestineans do NOT really have land per se, it has always been Jewish settlers, Um is correct.

Palestineans were Arabs but for over 3000 years the area has belonged to Jews. You can try and manipulate this fact, but it is what it is.

Palestineans are complicit in the attempted genocide of Israel by the voting in of a terrorist government, that’s an easy one. Just like the Dems are complicit in voting in Bush, not enough of them voted NOT in favor of Bush so now he’s the big guy, again, anoterh easy one.

Israel gave land to Palestineans recently in order to bring peace. It didn’t matter, the subterfuge was that Palestine wanted to genocide the Jews, plain and simple, pay attention to what people DO not what they say.

Casualties are a part of war, that’s the way it is, collateral damage – live with it, that’s how we’re all living here spouting off on this blog.

America was developed by taking over land from Indians and Mexicans, we showed strength, we won, we get the land. If Mexico would like to have another war to try and take back “their lands” bring it on. Don’t get stuck on stupid people, regarding this issue.

The whole situation was spelled out brilliantly by Um earlier: terrorists took soldiers hostage; hostile fire; they pay the consequences. It doesn’t get any simplier than that; if they want it to stop, turn over the soldiers. No government in their right minds would negotiate with terrorists.

Which brings me to my last point; I find it awfully interesting how Iran stalled the talks/agreement with the U.S.,et.al regarding their nuke program, only to be on the inside of this particular combat supplying weapons to terrorists to kill Jews.

This has been an infection that has been matastisizing for over 30 years, it was bound to come to a head at some point, we’re lucky that the U.S. is powerful as it is and that we have a President who isn’t WJC, we’d be in deep doodoo right now. Strenght is what Arabs understand, not talk. Again, look at what people do, not what they say.

Israel is kickin’ ass and they don’t care about the names; they’ve tolerated enough. If you support freedom and democracy, you’d not be questioning what’s going on right now.

Some people just don’t get it and they never will.

Umnumzana on July 15, 2006 at 10:59 pm said:

Bill McGubbin: You are right about the Americas being named after an Italian, I was responding in general to those people native to what we call the America’s.

Everything said about so-called Palestine and the Palestinian people is absolutely true.

There is not one word in any of my posts about genocide of any nationality or people, NOT ONE. However, not unlike the Nazi’s Islam does call for the annihilation of the Jews, which is, according to the dictionary, genocide!

Considering your limited intellect, we were talking about whether or not the Palestinians had any historical claims to Israel, among a much larger discussion; which other posts you apparently did not take the time to read. So, I was simply giving a historic perspective to that limited subject.

Unlike you, I don’t have my head up my ass and therefore unlike you, I am unable to talk using my rectal sphincter.

Irony, along with humanity, is obviously lost on you. It was a reductio ad absurdum – claiming that there is no such thing as Palestine, or Palestinians, is as absurd as claiming that there is no America.

You might also care to examine your statement – that Islamis as dedicated to the eradication of Jews as were the Nazis – for its self evident stupidity. There are some muslims – I would argue, a small but influential minority – who want to eradicate the Jewish state, and they are rightly to be condemned. To generalise that to every muslim, and use it, as you have, as justification for extreme state-sponsored violence against muslim civilians… well, let’s just say that you and Preisdent Ahmmenijad have more in common than you might be comfortable admitting.

Nonfactor: You have read into my posts something that simply was never there. If you understood Islam and what it means to be a Muslim, you would know that hatred of the Jews is a fundamental part of their faith. It is bred into them from birth, so when I say they are, with few exceptions, at the very minimum accesories before, during and after the fact to the terrorist attacks on Israel I am only telling you the facts, I never even hinted at ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians or made any comments about how to resolve the problem. You are judging my feelings falsely because either you cannot read very well or you read things into the written word that are not there, so you will have an excuse to attack others!

Stomptheirass: (1) If the branch of the service you were in thought the Marines are sissies, they were either storm troopers or fools. The history of the Corps is one of courage, valor and honor, I am proud to have served with them and proud my brother did and my nephew and grandson are today. (2) The comment I was resopnding to said something about sending in the Marines because Bush was bungling the war; so as a Marine from a family of Marines, I only made it clear that most Marines support Bush and wouldn’t take kindly to your comments. (3) I never made any assertion that because I served in combat that made me special or that there was any dishonor for those who didn’t. (4) I assumed by your comments, which often seem liberal that you are one; but before your tantrum, I was going to respond to the post #83 and reassure you that disagreeing with Bush, which I do on occasion, doesn’t mean you can’t be a Republican. Hell, I despise much of McCain’s beliefs, but he’s a Republican.

Rasptar: You are a card carrying idiot! I didn’t make any comments about hunting down Palestinians and killing them, or saying anything beyond the fact that they have no historical rights to any part of Israel, for the record.

This is a war and an over 4,000 year conflict most of you are incapable of understanding. This conflict is about something other than land, it is a fight for Allah and Islam being able to rule the world, destroy Christianity, Judaism and anyone or anything that does not bow down to Allah. There is no resolution possible if it is man-made!

Scooternyc #87: Great post! Thanks for your thoughts!

Bill McGubbin #88: (1) I gave you the facts about Palestine and the Palestinians; there is no such thing as a unigue Palestinian people, they don’t exist, they are Arabs plain and simple. There is no such place as Palestine, that name was given to the historical land of Israel by others who hated the Jews. (2) You simply have no knowledge of Islam and Muslims, even though you may have met a few enjoying the prosperity of America. The Koran makes it a requirment for Muslims to either convert or kill Jews or they are not good Muslims, so you met people who evidently are not good Muslims according to the Koran and Mohammed. In every country where Muslims have become the dominat religion and Sharia Law goes into effect, you will not find one Muslim protesting the murders of Christians and Jews, it is part of their faith. (3) I never clearly stated or even hinted at there being an excuse to exterminate so-called Palestinians or for violence against Palestinians or Muslims or Arabs. I just presented the facts and you can’t handle the truth, because it destroys your prejudices. (4) Lastly, take a remedial reading course, because you are reading things into the written word that simply do not exist except in your own diseased mind.

Before I sign off for the night, I wanted to add something about the killings of innocent civilians during war. I recall a great French General on D-Day WW-II telling his French troops that today they would be firing on and unfortunately killing their innocent countrymen. But, it was necessary to bring freedom back to France.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were sad events for hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians; but it ended the war and saved hundreds of thousands or millions of American and Japanese lives.

It is always the innocent that pay the greatest price in war; but war is a damn nasty endeavor, it is never clean or without its horrors. Yet, the blood of our young men and women and the blood of the enemy and civilians is the price of liberty, liberty has never been won or maintained without the shedding of innocent blood.

We don’t rejoice over any loss of life, we Americans, and in this case Israel, only do our best to minimize the loss. Now, can you say the same thing about Islamic terrorists? No! They don’t give a damn about innocent life, only serving Allah!

Lastly, I remember the innumerable fine Americans that have slugged it out in mud, desert sands, swamps in Vietnam, the frozen Chosin Reservoir in Korea and in many foreign lands; you won’t like it, but I care infinitely more about the loss of their lives, their lost limbs and broken minds than I do about our enemies!

Well said.

The Palestinians have lost the right to live by voting in a terrorist government and by blowing up people as a hobby and by raping children as a hobby.

Without a link this really is meaningless.

It would be you word against theirs.

Now the statement itself is hardly
anti-Semitic. So I know what you’re trying to spin here, but you aren’t even coming close to having a point.

We don’t rejoice over any loss of life, we Americans, and in this case Israel, only do our best to minimize the loss. Now, can you say the same thing about Islamic terrorists? No! They don’t give a damn about innocent life, only serving Allah!

What crap! All you’re saying is that everyone, including us, kills innocent people to force their political agenda. We’re no different than terrorists. That’s your argument, eh?