A great piece on the church that wants to house soldiers wanting to go AWOL. What I find most interesting is the priest says, he wants to provide this service to do honor to those serving in uniform. But he strongly believes in “NO WAR.” That is fine, as a catholic I understand the theory and teaching behind that viewpoint. However, he must know all enter the military voluntarily. He must also know the purpose of a military is to fight wars.So I am at a loss, if he thinks all wars are bad… why does he think it is necessary to honor people that have signed up to take part in them. Not under his orders or the Vaticans for example, but the US? He is skirting the law by helping any soldier go AWOL.
Rev. Monty Smith of Washington state’s First United Methodist Church, the pastor who is taking in AWOL troops, appeared on Hannity & Colmes last night. Alan Colmes, as expected, gave him an easy pass, however when it was guest co-host’s Rich Lowery’s time to take him on, they went head-to-head. The Rev. refused to answer any of Lowery’s questions about the legality of what he is doing or out of al-Qaeda, Baathists, or the US Troops, who is the best force over there.
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3:53 pm [ Quote ]
I suppose the Part about Bearing False Witness has escaped the Priest.
The Soldier signed on the Line, Raised his hand and swore to obey the orders (Volunteered to do all this). By not fulfilling your promise…then you had to be Lying when you took the Oath and signed the contract.
3:55 pm [ Quote ]
Bulldoze the church… simple solution
4:05 pm [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
4:17 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
4:31 pm [ Quote ]
Awwww good ole Reverand Monty Python is now a trator too for abeding trators. Hang him too. Execute him shoot him hang him cut off his head.
4:35 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
Why of course A-Pimp-Called-Daddy-Welfare, didn’t you know my recruiter told me that I would get to see the world I would be able to travel first class and have that nice colored drink with the umbrella and I would get to meet important people and be living life in the jet set. LOL
4:35 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
From what I have read he signed up after college and went to OCS. So unless they paid outstanding school loans he paid his own way through school. They main thing is he signed up well after the invasion of Iraq, he knew that he was going to go to Iraq when he signed the dotted line.
4:37 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
Why of course A-Pimp-Called-Daddy-Welfare, didn’t you know my recruiter told me that I would get to see the world I would be able to travel first class and have that nice colored drink with the umbrella and I would get to meet important people and be living life in the jet set. LOL
He dosen’t even have that excuse he is an Officer, a whole different ballgame when it comes to recruiters.
4:38 pm [ Quote ]
I’d like to consult with a psychologist concerning the way that guy’s eyes blink.
Like as not, a good investigation into his background would lead to some interesting findings that might even lead to the pastor lookin’ at some serious jail time.
Just sayin’.
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4:38 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
Why of course A-Pimp-Called-Daddy-Welfare, didn’t you know my recruiter told me that I would get to see the world I would be able to travel first class and have that nice colored drink with the umbrella and I would get to meet important people and be living life in the jet set. LOL
He dosen’t even have that excuse he is an Officer, a whole different ballgame when it comes to recruiters.
I realize that Harmonica, I was using a little bit of harmonous satire.
4:39 pm [ Quote ]
Harmonica
“From what I have read he signed up after college and went to OCS. So unless they paid outstanding school loans he paid his own way through school. They main thing is he signed up well after the invasion of Iraq, he knew that he was going to go to Iraq when he signed the dotted line.”
Not everyone who signs up for the military goes to Iraq or Afganistan.
Ther is Germany, S.Korea, the Virgin Islands, Hawaii.
But I do admit that there is a very good change of going someplace where you may be required to PICK UP A GUN AND SHOOT IT AT A LIVING PERSON
4:48 pm [ Quote ]
Anybody who signed up since 2000 should have known better than to join with a party in power whose trademark is illegal, immoral and ill-conceived military policy.
4:50 pm [ Quote ]
They join the military to get a “free ride” thru college. Then they’re shocked when they get sent overseas
Why of course A-Pimp-Called-Daddy-Welfare, didn’t you know my recruiter told me that I would get to see the world I would be able to travel first class and have that nice colored drink with the umbrella and I would get to meet important people and be living life in the jet set. LOL
He dosen’t even have that excuse he is an Officer, a whole different ballgame when it comes to recruiters.
I realize that Harmonica, I was using a little bit of harmonous satire.
Well we can be glad this POS won’t be leading the fine enlisted men of the US Army. We can’t afford to have bad officers in a war.
4:54 pm [ Quote ]
Anybody who signed up since 2000 should have known better than to join with a party in power whose trademark is illegal, immoral and ill-conceived military policy.
Right. They should have waited until a Democrat was in office when their primary duty would be to drive whores and prostitutes home from the White House.
4:54 pm [ Quote ]
Anybody who signed up since 2000 should have known better than to join with a party in power whose trademark is illegal, immoral and ill-conceived military policy.
Illegal and Immoral to whom, your sunshine happy world filled with puppies and ice cream?
4:56 pm [ Quote ]
Separation of church and state, thats all I hear from the left. Well, separate them; the soldier is state and the church is church.
4:56 pm [ Quote ]
I am a Christian and Christ is my Savior. And I have to say this Rev. Smith is a real piece of work. His simplistic view that “war is bad” is an insult to all pastors and Christians. Of course it is bad, but there are times when it just. As they say, except for defeating communism, facism,and slavery, war never accomplished a thing.
Christ teaches to resist evil. Taking a passive position while evil flourishes is not what Christ taught. However, since the good reverend can’t distinguish between good and evil, as evidenced by not being able to answer Lowery’s questions, I am not surprised by his harboring AWOLs and not supporting freedom in Iraq.
5:07 pm [ Quote ]
It is my opinion—as an Atheist that leans Right politically at the very least on the War on Terror (if not more than just that issue)—that I believe this Reverend on H&C was just motivated on political ideology. I can be wrong ‘cause I’m not religious.
5:08 pm [ Quote ]
Mallard
“except for defeating communism, facism,and slavery”
I kind of dislike to have burst you bubble but actual NONE of those has been defeat slowed considerably yes but defeated no
The rest is fine
5:13 pm [ Quote ]
Sorry off topic a bit but as Ian is fixated with Olbermann….Olbermann catches O’Reilly again video
5:14 pm [ Quote ]
Mallard
“except for defeating communism, facism,and slavery”
I kind of dislike to have burst you bubble but actual NONE of those has been defeat slowed considerably yes but defeated no
The rest is fine
Ah, you’re playing semantics. I say “defeated.” I think you mean “eliminated.” I agree none of the three are extinct from the earth, but were defeated in war.
5:25 pm [ Quote ]
Sorry off topic a bit but as Ian is fixated with Olbermann….Olbermann catches O’Reilly again video
The game of “______ is fixated with __” can be spun. Your presence here can mean that you’re fixated with either Ian or ETL or both. I don’t believe that, but I or anyone can spin it that way, as you can spin that I’m fixated with you. Not really, but I wanted to pointed that out.
But if you read what the website’s about, it’s about, get this, “exposing the Left”. I come because I’m not left-of-center in most issues and that I like reading and occasionally participating in comments here, especially since not everybody here is right-of-center and that the website has video clips.
5:28 pm [ Quote ]
UK, you should be trying harder to make friends. Soon enough europeans will be fleeing their darkened lands for more hospitable climes. Unless you enjoy living under sharia.
NO KITES!
5:37 pm [ Quote ]
UK, you should be trying harder to make friends. Soon enough europeans will be fleeing their darkened lands for more hospitable climes. Unless you enjoy living under sharia.
NO KITES!
I’ll stick it out here in old Blighty…But thanks for the offer.
Please don’t take all the FNC says about Europe to seriously.
5:47 pm [ Quote ]
I get my data from multiple sources, including some very knowledgable people who straddle all lines of the poli-spectrum.
The demographics speak for themselves; the muslims are outbreeding the natives by a large percentage. Those are the same muslims who cant or wont be assimilated into the larger society.
Add to that the nanny-state dictums which demand more immigrants workers and europe has a problem. A big problem just down the road.
Big Ben is going to look mighty stupid with a golden dome on top. I wouldnt invest in kites or razors if I were you.
5:47 pm [ Quote ]
TOOKER
“Please don’t take all the FNC says about Europe to seriously.”
How bout Kebecurs? They say pretty nasty things about europeons and the can in no sense be considered conservative
5:56 pm [ Quote ]
I would like to hear from those of you who self-identify themselves as religous, to speak out on this issue here on the blog.
Those of you who have posted I don’t know your religous beliefs, except for those that said, “I’m atheist…” etc. But those of you here who typically post here, I would be interested to hear your views.
6:14 pm [ Quote ]
Kebecurs??????
Ray Charles Said
“Big Ben is going to look mighty stupid with a golden dome on top. I wouldnt invest in kites or razors if I were you.”
And the Muslims that make a clock into a mosque would have a good chance of getting on “most ridiculous item of the day” with Falafel Boy.
6:18 pm [ Quote ]
phonetics
QUBECOUIS
QUEBECER
one who hails from the Canadian Province of QUEBEC
KEBBIE CURR as in smelly little dog
6:33 pm [ Quote ]
Who’s winning? http://www.exposetheleft.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
6:36 pm [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
You got it as close to right as possible.
1. The church has always been considered a sanctuary and as in Europe during WW-II, such sanctuaries saved many lives. So, even when we believe it is wrong in the case of those guilty of escaping their duties (dissertion)as a soldier, it is probably best to leave them alone.
2. The soldiers gave their word to serve, to protect and defend this nation against all enemies; and knowing this they should not have joined, but once they did, they should have kept their word. I do have a problem that no matter how long they hide, once they come out they must suffer the full penalty for thier crimes.
6:45 pm [ Quote ]
***tip***
In the same H&C, Barack Obama claimed that outing secret terrorist-fighting programs was the “job” of the New York Times.
6:49 pm [ Quote ]
so the guy joined up in 2003 and now refuses to go to Iraq? We went to war in March of 2003, so either we were already at war and he signed up or he signed up in the few months before we went to war, when everyone already knew we were going to war.
7:22 pm [ Quote ]
By the time the muslims turn Big Ben into a muezzin tower, O.R. will have more important issues to deal with, such as how to incorporate all the european refugees into America.
You could always stay behind as a protected minority, just as long as you dont forget your regularly scheduled jizya.
No more Boddingtons…now that will be a shame. At least muslims and english both drink tea.
7:44 pm [ Quote ]
so the guy joined up in 2003 and now refuses to go to Iraq? We went to war in March of 2003, so either we were already at war and he signed up or he signed up in the few months before we went to war, when everyone already knew we were going to war.
Cut him some slack Terrence. He’s a liberal. They are all about the feeling of the moment. You can’t be angry at him if his feelings changed. To do so might hurt his feelings. Attacking him because of his feelings is wrong. He feels that Iraqi’s feelings are being hurt by us imposing freedom on them. Can’t you feel it?
7:52 pm [ Quote ]
Ray Charles Said:
7:22 pm
“No more Boddingtons…now that will be a shame. At least muslims and english both drink tea.”
Boddingtons is so so….What you really want is a mans beerTheakstons Old Peculier
Just as long as its not budwisser…no offence to you Americans…but it’s awful.
The Famous Grouse whisky(scotch to you) is mostly what I drink…but would never say no to a JD.
As for tea that’s a ritual at 4pm along with cream cakes…Whole of the UK stops for tea & cakes every day at 4pm.
7:59 pm [ Quote ]
Finally I agree with smoker! ‘Cept I would add newcastle brown to the list. I think it’s considered to be lame over there, but it’s the best beer available in the US.
8:13 pm [ Quote ]
Finally I agree with smoker! ‘Cept I would add newcastle brown to the list. I think it’s considered to be lame over there, but it’s the best beer available in the US.
Newcastle brown is an OK ale…But what you really want to get your hands on is “Real Ale.” http://www.camra.org.uk/ Not sure if you can get that in the U.S but if so your onto a winner.
8:20 pm [ Quote ]
It’s not one of those ‘lambic’ beers is it? I’m not a fan of those.
Also, on a contentious note, JWB slams the single malt competition. Two ounces of JWB over ice, and a dollop of water is God’s gift to mankind. I’ll do a Glenlivet, but it’s under duress.
8:22 pm [ Quote ]
****In the same H&C, Barack Obama claimed that outing secret terrorist-fighting programs was the “job” of the New York Times.***
I don’t have a video but I have the story and the quotes…just posted:
http://fromopinionnation.blogspot.com/2006/06/obama-outing-secrets-is-medias-job.html
8:34 pm [ Quote ]
It’s not one of those ‘lambic’ beers is it? I’m not a fan of those.
Also, on a contentious note, JWB slams the single malt competition. Two ounces of JWB over ice, and a dollop of water is God’s gift to mankind. I’ll do a Glenlivet, but it’s under duress.
Afraid the ale is conditioned in wooden casks.
Think your in need of a trip to Scotland for the true whisky experience. You must have ancestors there all Americans do, don’t they. 
Black label is a nice whisky but you can’t beat the king…A single malt.
8:59 pm [ Quote ]
Been there Happy. Coylum Bridge, Inverness. And no can do. I have no doubt that England makes the best beer and the only Scotch in the world. Newcastle and Sam Smith make the best of the best when it comes to beer (from an American’s perspective), but there are some NASTY single-malts. I can’t emphasize ‘nasty’ enough. I bought a fifth of Glenmorangie when I was there. It’s painful to drink, kind of like drinking turd sauce (I would imagine). JWB. Tried and true. The choice of a new generation.
9:07 pm [ Quote ]
Ray Charles Said:
7:22 pm
“No more Boddingtons…now that will be a shame. At least muslims and english both drink tea.”
Boddingtons is so so….What you really want is a mans beerTheakstons Old Peculier
Just as long as its not budwisser…no offence to you Americans…but it’s awful.
The Famous Grouse whisky(scotch to you) is mostly what I drink…but would never say no to a JD.
As for tea that’s a ritual at 4pm along with cream cakes…Whole of the UK stops for tea & cakes every day at 4pm.
Old Peculier is an excellent beer, you can get it here at specialty stores. Yes Budwieser, Coors, & Miller all suck but we do have a good amount of really good micro breweries that can compete with England. New England, NY, PA, & CA all have good regional beers.
9:18 pm [ Quote ]
Give examples Harmonica. Because Samuel Adams doesn’t cut it.
9:27 pm [ Quote ]
Kevin good to hear you’ve been over here…it was probably wet
but it’s not a bad old place all in all. Totally agree there are some terrible malts but i do like “turd sauce” 
As you say Harmonica you have some fine beers over there. When I was last there in Las Vegas I was surprised what there was. Even managed to dig up some McEwan’s India Pale Ale…not the best stuff in the world.
One thing i have to say you can’t beat those steaks you serve up over there…brilliant.
9:28 pm [ Quote ]
Give examples Harmonica. Because Samuel Adams doesn’t cut it.
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.
9:41 pm [ Quote ]
Give examples Harmonica. Because Samuel Adams doesn’t cut it.
Smuttynose, Stone, Bear Republic, Dogfish Head, and I also have a soft spot for Brooklyn because it easy to find in New York. There are many more that I had over the years and I can’t remember their names.
Check out
http://beeradvocate.com/
they have alot good info about beers in America,
10:01 pm [ Quote ]
UK, you should be trying harder to make friends. Soon enough europeans will be fleeing their darkened lands for more hospitable climes. Unless you enjoy living under sharia.
NO KITES!
The above statement is why so many people consider Americans ignorant.
I have relatives who are from Norway and Sweeden who get so annoyed when Americans talk about how Muslims are close to bringing Sharia law to Norway or that gangs of Muslim men are rampaging throught the streets of Sweeden gang-raping every female in sight.
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internet, or Christians (like one of my coworkers)maintain that verse 9:11 of the Quran predicts the wraith of America on Allah.
In fact whenever an American brings up the crap about sharia law or the mass rapes they usually ask them if it’s true that America will soon be an officially spanish speaking country and the Mexican flag flown abive the American one. That usually shuts them up
10:07 pm [ Quote ]
UK, you should be trying harder to make friends. Soon enough europeans will be fleeing their darkened lands for more hospitable climes. Unless you enjoy living under sharia.
NO KITES!
The above statement is why so many people consider Americans ignorant.
I have relatives who are from Norway and Sweeden who get so annoyed when Americans talk about how Muslims are close to bringing Sharia law to Norway or that gangs of Muslim men are rampaging throught the streets of Sweeden gang-raping every female in sight.
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internet, or Christians (like one of my coworkers)maintain that verse 9:11 of the Quran predicts the wraith of America on Allah.
In fact whenever an American brings up the crap about sharia law or the mass rapes they usually ask them if it’s true that America will soon be an officially spanish speaking country and the Mexican flag flown abive the American one. That usually shuts them up
Ahhh yes the good ole Norsk Norsk rudafisk eating club.
10:09 pm [ Quote ]
In fact whenever an American brings up the crap about sharia law or the mass rapes they usually ask them if it’s true that America will soon be an officially spanish speaking country and the Mexican flag flown abive the American one. That usually shuts them up Naw it just makes me laugh.
10:11 pm [ Quote ]
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internetThat’s what Al Bore Said
10:52 pm [ Quote ]
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internetThat’s what Al Bore Said
oh, Kenzington, please think for yourself for once and not spew busted conservative talking points.
Al Gore invented the Internet
At least you didn’t claim the Koran verse 9:11 was true. I’m at the point where I’m gonna start pulling out my hair from hearing my coworker maintain it’s true.
11:26 pm [ Quote ]
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internetThat’s what Al Bore Said
oh, Kenzington, please think for yourself for once and not spew busted conservative talking points.
Al Gore invented the Internet
At least you didn’t claim the Koran verse 9:11 was true. I’m at the point where I’m gonna start pulling out my hair from hearing my coworker maintain it’s true.
I’m sorry Jason, I thought that I was thinking for you too because you didn’t have enough brain cells to think with so I thought that I would help you out.
11:28 pm [ Quote ]
It’s just a big urban legend – kind of like how conservatives accuse Al Gore of stating he “invented” the internetThat’s what Al Bore Said
oh, Kenzington, please think for yourself for once and not spew busted conservative talking points.
Al Gore invented the Internet
At least you didn’t claim the Koran verse 9:11 was true. I’m at the point where I’m gonna start pulling out my hair from hearing my coworker maintain it’s true.
Jason your co-worker is correct it is true.
12:06 am [ Quote ]
I’m sorry Jason, I thought that I was thinking for you too because you didn’t have enough brain cells to think with so I thought that I would help you out.
I’m not the one saying Al Gore invented the internet. I think that was you, right?
Jason your co-worker is correct it is true.
Oh well, I’ll just stick my fingers in my ears and yell “I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you.” like he does when he informs me I’m wrong.
1:04 am [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
Hear, hear. Any profession, which requires the use of hand grenades, bayonets, and manuals about how to survive and kill the “enemy” in an area after your side has detonated a nuclear weopan on a city upwind of you may in fact be a profession of war.
Those who are opposed to war should not volunteer to join an all volunteer army.
Those who join, but then object to serving in combat, are simple cowards.
Cowards do have a right to receive pastoral care. So do criminals for that matter.
What they don’t have is the right to respect for their cowardice or to expect intelligent people to believe their false self-serving justifications.
Oh, and by the way, the U.S., Iraqi, or other soldier who is willing to strap on body army, carry a rifle, and engage evil murderers at risk of life and limb to protect the innocent are closer to serving God (whether Christian, Muslim, atheist or other) than are people who fraudulently join the armed forces to steal money from taxpayers to pay for their education, living, etc., but then refuse the call of duty, which they chose to do.
2:01 am [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
Hear, hear. Any profession, which requires the use of hand grenades, bayonets, and manuals about how to survive and kill the “enemy” in an area after your side has detonated a nuclear weopan on a city upwind of you may in fact be a profession of war.
Those who are opposed to war should not volunteer to join an all volunteer army.
Those who join, but then object to serving in combat, are simple cowards.
Cowards do have a right to receive pastoral care. So do criminals for that matter.
What they don’t have is the right to respect for their cowardice or to expect intelligent people to believe their false self-serving justifications.
Oh, and by the way, the U.S., Iraqi, or other soldier who is willing to strap on body army, carry a rifle, and engage evil murderers at risk of life and limb to protect the innocent are closer to serving God (whether Christian, Muslim, atheist or other) than are people who fraudulently join the armed forces to steal money from taxpayers to pay for their education, living, etc., but then refuse the call of duty, which they chose to do.
Exactly. They are all cowards! just like a welfare-nation that owes it’s existence to another nation but turns it back on said nation when it asks for support.
When the US emerges victorious in the the War on Terror I think our motto should be “We Will Never Forget.” We won’t forget those who stood by us, and we sure as hell won’t forget those who abandoned us!
2:20 am [ Quote ]
Well screw you Smoker, Harmonica and Jason. Now that you’ve got me wanting a fancy beer, I can’t get one. I forgot I live in the boondocks, and my choices come down to Bud, Miller, Coke or Pepsi (milk is also available). sigh
2:40 am [ Quote ]
Well screw you Smoker, Harmonica and Jason. Now that you’ve got me wanting a fancy beer, I can’t get one. I forgot I live in the boondocks, and my choices come down to Bud, Miller, Coke or Pepsi (milk is also available). sigh
Kevin I drink maybe a total of about 4 times per year, and when I do drink I don’t care about fancy, I want a kick ass powerful beer with lots of Alchol in it so that I don’t have to drink so many before I get so wasted that I pass out. I drink on New Years, on Vetrans Day, on 4th of July and then again on my Birthday after that I don’t touch another drop until the next year.
Will Power Kevin, ( Let The Farce Be With You ) LOL
2:43 am [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
Hear, hear. Any profession, which requires the use of hand grenades, bayonets, and manuals about how to survive and kill the “enemy” in an area after your side has detonated a nuclear weopan on a city upwind of you may in fact be a profession of war.
Those who are opposed to war should not volunteer to join an all volunteer army.
Those who join, but then object to serving in combat, are simple cowards.
Cowards do have a right to receive pastoral care. So do criminals for that matter.
What they don’t have is the right to respect for their cowardice or to expect intelligent people to believe their false self-serving justifications.
Oh, and by the way, the U.S., Iraqi, or other soldier who is willing to strap on body army, carry a rifle, and engage evil murderers at risk of life and limb to protect the innocent are closer to serving God (whether Christian, Muslim, atheist or other) than are people who fraudulently join the armed forces to steal money from taxpayers to pay for their education, living, etc., but then refuse the call of duty, which they chose to do.
Exactly. They are all cowards! just like a welfare-nation that owes it’s existence to another nation but turns it back on said nation when it asks for support.
When the US emerges victorious in the the War on Terror I think our motto should be “We Will Never Forget.” We won’t forget those who stood by us, and we sure as hell won’t forget those who abandoned us!
Just like a welfare-nation that owes it’s existence to another nation but turns it back on said nation when it asks for support.
Awww Frank you mean like Fwance.
7:14 am [ Quote ]
Churches/mosques/synagoges have always been looked upon a sanctuary. I dont not like that he is helping the but it is part of the “traditional” role.
I do not understand how someone can voluntarily join the military knowing full well that the job of the military is to go to war. If you dont want to go to war DONT JOIN the military. Join the peace corp.
You got it as close to right as possible.
1. The church has always been considered a sanctuary and as in Europe during WW-II, such sanctuaries saved many lives. So, even when we believe it is wrong in the case of those guilty of escaping their duties (dissertion)as a soldier, it is probably best to leave them alone.
2. The soldiers gave their word to serve, to protect and defend this nation against all enemies; and knowing this they should not have joined, but once they did, they should have kept their word. I do have a problem that no matter how long they hide, once they come out they must suffer the full penalty for thier crimes.
I agree with your point #2 but I am not sure I agree with point #1. The church did assist many people during WWII but that was because of genocide, not because they were AWOL.
It seems to me that the church is crossing the line when they start harboring criminals, in the case soldiers AND in the case of illegal aliens. Just because it’s the “church” we’re suppposed to have a hands-off approach, but to whom else in this country do we allow this illegal behavior?
They should get a warrant, arrest the soldier and the priest, along with anyone else who is complicit in the harboring of this individual.
If we start making exceptions for this person and that person, then this situation and that situation, we start heading down a road that there is no coming back from, I say let’s not create a very strong potential for harboring sex offenders, rapists, hard criminals, etc.
8:03 am [ Quote ]
I understand the theory and teaching behind that viewpoint.
We’ll see…
However, he must know all enter the military voluntarily. He must also know the purpose of a military is to fight wars.
If you have no other options, and the only way you can afford to go on to collage is by joining up, that’s not quite voluntary.
So I am at a loss, if he thinks all wars are bad…
Did he say that?
why does he think it is necessary to honor people that have signed up to take part in them. Not under his orders or the Vaticans for example, but the US?
He can honor somone’s bravery even if it is misguided.
He is skirting the law by helping any soldier go AWOL.
The law? You mean man’s law. God’s law is clear.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9).
Thou Shall Not Kill.
Let there be no injury and no requital.
– Islam. Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 32
One should choose to be among the persecuted, rather than the persecutors.
– Judaism. Talmud, Baba Kamma 93a
Victory breeds hatred, for the defeated live in pain. Happily live the peaceful, giving up victory and defeat.
– Buddhism. Dhammapada 201
For behold, they had rather sacrifice their lives than even to take the life of their enemy; and they have buried their weapons of war deep in the earth, because of their love towards their brethren.
– Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Book of Mormon, Alma 26.32
In wars to gain land, the dead fill the plains; in wars to gain cities, the dead fill the cities. This is known as showing the land the way to devour human flesh. Death is too light a punishment for such men who wage war. Hence those skilled in war should suffer the most severe punishments.
– Confucianism. Mencius IV.A.14
Those who beat you with fists,
Do not pay them in the same coin,
But go to their house and kiss their feet.
– Sikhism. Adi Granth, Shalok, Farid, p. 1378
You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
– Christianity. Matthew 5.38-41
Those who are insulted but do not insult others in revenge, who hear themselves reproached without replying, who perform good work out of the love of the Lord and rejoice in their sufferings… are “as the sun when he goeth forth in his might.”
– Judaism. Talmud, Yoma 23a
Chi K’ang-tzu asked Confucius about government, saying, “Suppose I were to slay those who have not the Way in order to help those who have the Way, what would you think of it?” Confucius replied saying, “You are there to rule, not to slay. If you desire what is good, the people will at once be good.”
– Confucianism. Analects 12.19
Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 32: On Muhammad’s long-suffering and generosity, see Hadith, p. 569. Baba Kamma 93a: Cf. Pesahim 25b, p. 415. Dhammapada 201: Cf. Yogacara Bhumi Sutra 4, p. 482. Mencius IV.A.14: Cf. Tao Te Ching 31, p. 889.
Then they came up and laid hands upon Jesus and seized him. And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”
– Christianity. Matthew 26.51-52
Brethren, if outsiders should speak against me, or against the Doctrine, or against the Order, you should not on that account either bear malice, or suffer resentment, or feel ill will. If you, on that account, should feel angry and hurt, that would stand in the way of your own self- conquest.
– Buddhism. Digha Nikaya i.3
Kuan Chung… could seize the fief of P’ien with its three hundred villages from its owner, the head of the Po family; yet Po, though he lived on coarse food to the end of his days, never uttered a single word of resentment. The Master said, “To be poor and not resent it is far harder than to be rich, yet not presumptuous.”
– Confucianism. Analects 14.11
Monks, even as low-down thieves might be carving you limb from limb with a two-handled saw, even then whoever sets his mind at enmity is not a doer of my teaching. Monks, you should train yourselves thus, “Our minds shall not be perverted, we will not utter evil words, we shall abide cherishing thoughts of good, with minds full of goodwill and with no hatred in our heart. Beginning with that thief, we shall abide suffusing the whole world with thoughts of goodwill that are extensive, exalted, and immeasurable, without hostility and malevolence.”
If you, monks, were to attend repeatedly to this exhortation on the parable of the saw, would you see any form of ridicule, subtle or gross, that you could not endure?
– Buddhism. Majjhima Nikaya i.129
————————————————————————————————————————Matthew 26.51-52: But see also Matthew 10.34, p. 886, and John 2.13-16, p. 891. Digha Nikaya i.3: Cf. Vachana 248, p. 793. Analects 14.11: Kuan Chung had such prestige that no one called him ‘presumptuous’ when he injured others; it was much harder for the head of the Po family to avoid resentment than it was for Kuan Chung to keep up the air of probity. Cf. Nahjul Balagha, Saying 201, p. 850; I Ching 40, p. 849.
————————————————————————————————————————For what reason was he named Never Despise? Because he paid respect to and commended everybody he saw, monks, nuns, men and women disciples; speaking thus, “I deeply revere you. Wherefore? Because you are walking in the bodhisattva way and are to become Buddhas.” That monk did not devote himself to reading and reciting the sutras, but only to paying respect, so that when he saw afar off a member of the four classes of disciples he would specially go and pay respect to them, saying, “I dare not slight you, because you are all to become Buddhas.” Amongst the four classes, there were those who, irritated and angry and low-minded, reviled and abused him, saying, “Where does this ignorant monk come from, who takes it on himself to say, ‘I do not slight you,’ and who predicts us as destined to become Buddhas? We need no such false predictions.” Thus he passed many years, constantly reviled but never irritated or angry, always saying, “You are to become Buddhas.” Whenever he spoke thus, they beat him with clubs, sticks, potsherds, or stones. But, while escaping to a distance, he stilled cried aloud, “I dare not slight you. You are all to become Buddhas.” And because he always spoke thus, the haughty monks, nuns, and their disciples dubbed him Never Despise.
– Buddhism. Lotus Sutra 20
The Lord God has given me
the tongue of a disciple,
that I may know how to sustain with a word
him that is weary.
Morning by morning he wakens,
he wakens my ear to hear as a disciple.
The Lord God has opened my ear,
and I was not rebellious,
I turned not backward.
I gave my back to the smiters,
and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard;
I hid not my face
from shame and spitting.
For the Lord God helps me;
therefore I have not been confounded;
therefore I have set my face like a flint,
and I know that I shall not be put to shame;
he who vindicates me is near.
– Judaism and Christianity. Isaiah 50.4-8
If an evil man, on hearing of what is good, comes and creates a disturbance, you should hold your peace. You must not angrily upbraid him; then he who has come to curse you will merely harm himself.
– Buddhism. Sutra of Forty-two Sections 7
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” No, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink; for by doing so you will heap burning coals upon his head.”
– Christianity. Romans 12.19-20
8:07 am [ Quote ]
As a priest he’s obligated to uphold God’s laws.
8:07 am [ Quote ]
(or Reverend)
8:12 am [ Quote ]
It seems to me that the church is crossing the line when they start harboring criminals, in the case soldiers AND in the case of illegal aliens. Just because it’s the “church” we’re suppposed to have a hands-off approach, but to whom else in this country do we allow this illegal behavior?
The problem comes into play when the state acts in conflict with the laws of God. When you have a Godless state, or a state that perverts the laws of God for it’s own purposes, that naturally puts the chruch in conflict with the state.
The idea of sanctuary is that a house of worship, as a sacred place, can house those who are being persecuted without that person fearing that they will be taken away because to take someone forcefully out of a Church would be considered a sacrilege. One of the most famous examples of sanctuary in history is in Victor Hugo’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where Quasimodo offers Esmerelda sanctuary in the Church after she has been accused of stabbing Phoebus.
8:45 am [ Quote ]
Dallas said
“If you have no other options, and the only way you can afford to go on to collage is by joining up, that’s not quite voluntary.’
Get a job, work your way thru college like thousands have instead of sticking your hand out and expecting it to be filled with wads of cash for doing nothing.
“most famous examples of sanctuary in history is in Victor Hugo’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame”
Its not history is a work of fiction
9:12 am [ Quote ]
Dallas this guy was commissioned as an Officer after recieving his degree. He wasn’t some poor HS kid who was lied to by his recruiter, like liberals like to believe about enlisted men. Officer recruiters try to scare away Officer candidates because they only want the ones that really want to lead men in battle. This man already had is degree, signed up went to OCS to learn how to lead enlisted men in battle, and then layed down. Now he is useless because no soldier would follow him into combat, he berayed his country and more importantly his men who have trained under him.
I’m also glad you summarized every major faith, do you really believe it is that simple? Is there any time where a man of faith is allowed to engage in battle? Is it just a black and white issue like you paint it?
10:18 am [ Quote ]
Daily Summary…
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10:41 am [ Quote ]
Friday Free For All…
Here are a few links from around the blogosphere that I wanted to share with you.
W.A.R. is coming!
Rightwing Nuthouse takes a sober look at the ups and downs of the SCOTUS decision on Hamdan.
Expose The Left has a vidoe of a reverend hiding AWOL tro…
11:39 am [ Quote ]
NO NO NO, Ian where is the anti american patriotism bs rubbish that you spew about everybody who is not against the war? OH I didnt know it had to be religious for it to be ok. But if this was just some farmer doing the same thing….extreme left nut anti american taliban.
You know its true
3:17 pm [ Quote ]
Just like a welfare-nation that owes it’s existence to another nation but turns it back on said nation when it asks for support.
Awww Frank you mean like Fwance.
damn right, idiot. France included. You seem to be the stupidest person at this site, Kenzingtom. I’ve read numerous comments were you’ve attacked a conservative’s response simply because you’re to stupid to comprehend what they posted.
6:24 pm [ Quote ]
The law? You mean man’s law. God’s law is clear.
The sooner you understand that “God’s Law” has no jurisdiction, the sooner it will be for things to resolve themselves without the impedence of religion in the first place.
6:54 pm [ Quote ]
I resent that Frank. I have been known to be much stupider than Kensington. It comes in waves, but I demand my due.
One time I said a progressive was ‘reasonsable’. Give it up Frank, I beat Kensington in this category.
(apology accepted in advance)
12:53 pm [ Quote ]
do you really believe it is that simple? Is there any time where a man of faith is allowed to engage in battle? Is it just a black and white issue like you paint it?
If you’re Christian first, it is. Thou shalt not kill.
If you’re Republican first, it isn’t so simple anymore.
1:02 pm [ Quote ]
and then layed down. Now he is useless because no soldier would follow him into combat, he berayed his country and more importantly his men who have trained under him.
In Iraq. He refused to serve in Iraq, because he feels that war is immoral.
1:11 pm [ Quote ]
The clip is a perfect example of what is wrong the the dialog. You have the Right wing host trying to bully the paster by framing a series of false “either… or “questions, while the paster struggles to explain the reality of the situation, as seen through the eyes of his faith. That there are no just wars.
The host is trying to make him pick the “least unjust” faction in the war, while he maintains that “all wars are unjust”.
This is like demanding someone support and aid the child molester who raped your son three times over the others who raped him four times each. Hardly a choice.
2:25 pm [ Quote ]
The law is clear when it comes to harboring criminals, both illegals and awol soldiers being considered a criminal offense. Having a debate about it is merely trying to bring an emotional slant to something that does not warrant such.
The pastor is in violation of the law and should receive no special treatment as a result of his position. The soldier is violating a law and should receive no special treatment.
People who harbor criminals are they themselves, criminals. We should not tolerate this behavior, endorse it by becoming emotionally distorted in the facts.
2:32 pm [ Quote ]
Harboring a deserter is illegal. According to Claudia Cummings, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Indianapolis, the maximum penalty is three years in a federal prison.
4:52 pm [ Quote ]
and then layed down. Now he is useless because no soldier would follow him into combat, he berayed his country and more importantly his men who have trained under him.
In Iraq. He refused to serve in Iraq, because he feels that war is immoral.
He VOLUNTEERED, he applied to OCS,
OCS trains you to LEAD people in war not just on the training ground.
If he felt that war was wrong why did he volunteer for a job that has as its main job description the wage war? Did he think that all he was going to do was run around the training ground for 8 yrs and go home and drink beer and watch tv?
6:42 pm [ Quote ]
do you really believe it is that simple? Is there any time where a man of faith is allowed to engage in battle? Is it just a black and white issue like you paint it?
If you’re Christian first, it is. Thou shalt not kill.
If you’re Republican first, it isn’t so simple anymore.
Why did God help and sanction wars in the Old Testament? There is not one circumstance where it would be alright to kill another man. If a Christian Cop kills a dangerous criminal that was threatening the lives and safety of citizens, did he act in a manner thats is in conflict with Christian teachings? You are working with absolutes (few things in life are absolute), framing the whole faith on “thou shall not kill”, you know that the faith isn’t as simple as that. You are wrong, there are just wars and situations where taking another person’s life is justified.
8:48 pm [ Quote ]
Harboring a deserter is illegal. According to Claudia Cummings, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Indianapolis, the maximum penalty is three years in a federal prison.
I refer back to my original post, which cares not in our legal system as to whether or not you’re Christian, Jew, or Atheist.
The law is the law.
4:13 pm [ Quote ]
Remember when HANOI ON THE BAY voted to make its self a haven for war evaders? IF THAT HAPPENS DURING A DECLAIED WAR THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND ALL THOSE INVOLVED SHOULD BE TRIED AND SENT TO PRISON FOR LIFE
1:37 pm [ Quote ]
To all of you who have no idea what the hell you are talking about, not everyone joins the military to get a free ride. And those who join and take that oath, take the oath to defend OUR country. To defend YOUR lives. And yeah, they may know that they will have to go to war at some point. But ANYONE can say how they THINK they will react in a battle zone. But the fact of the matter is, NO ONE knows how they will actually react till they are there> And some figure out that what they are required to do, they can’t handle. Or, if you put yourself into the shoes of some of these soldiers, like my husband, the thought of having to kill a child becasue they pick up a gun and start firing at our troops, all because that is how they are raised, is something that NO ONE should be ok with. And for all of you who have the audasity to condem MY husband and all those like him, can go to hell. God did not tell us to kill people. He doesn’t even condone it. Therefore, you all need to get your priorities straightened out.