May 30, 2006
Murtha appeared on CNN’s The Situation Room once again to talk about the unproved Haditha rumors. All Murtha seems to say is “I support the troops, but,” usually followed by some line that hurts the troops.
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8:52 pm [ Quote ]
Is this the Murtha that writes for the Fluffington Post? The guy that supported the war and now wants out of Iraq asap?
9:00 pm [ Quote ]
The thing I don’t understand about liberal thinking is:
I have to admit, the reason for going into war with Iraq may be controversial, but that’s open to discussion.
Liberal’s insistence that we leave Iraq just because the reasons that we invaded were invalid is dangerous. If we pulled out of Iraq now, the country will be a training camp for more terrorists.
Personally I don’t see what’s the “evil” in establishing a Middle East country that is pro-American, pro-democracy, and pro-equality (which are Western value btw). Before we invaded, Iraq was massacring its own citizens, and their killing of citizens is totally different from American killings.
American killing are collateral damage, since the US military does not aim to kill the innocents, that’s the exact opposite of Iraqi genocide on the Kurds. Liberals, argue that!
9:13 pm [ Quote ]
I was going to provide a liberal perspective for your edification till I looked at #3s user name. Nothing hateful or simplistic about that, nope.
9:22 pm [ Quote ]
Your ignorant name negates just about everything you might ever have to say. No wait, make that EVERYTHING you might ever have to say.
9:27 pm [ Quote ]
If you want to understand Liberal thinking I’d suggest you ask a Liberal. Where do I start?
Personally I don’t see what’s the “evil” in establishing a Middle East country that is pro-American, pro-democracy, and pro-equality (which are Western value btw).
The problem I see is your belief that a country can be “established” like opening a 7-11 or a WalMart. What you’re trying to “establish” are a people’s opinion of American. And you propose that a good way to make them “pro-American, pro-democracy, and pro-equality” is by killing them, their children, their relatives. EVEN IF, some, only some, of them are fighting us. The majority that aren’t don’t like it the fact that we invaded their country (for no honest reason), keep killing their people, relatives, etc., and we don’t leave.
Before we invaded, Iraq was massacring its own citizens, and their killing of citizens is totally different from American killings.
So we invaded them, spent hundreds of Billions of dollars in the process, and nothing has changed. They are still killing each other, as they have done for about 3 thousand years now.
American killing are collateral damage, since the US military does not aim to kill the innocents, that’s the exact opposite of Iraqi genocide on the Kurds. Liberals, argue that!
I’d be happy to explain this to you.
You are arguing that the people (who’s “hearts and minds we need to win”), will somehow feel differently if we kill their Dads, Moms, and kids, by accident – because we’re innempt, sloppy or careless – as opposed to because we’re mean and cruel. I doubt it. It wouldn’t make me more forgiving. BUT THAT ISN’T THE CASE!
What we discover, over and over again, from Abu Grab to Haditha, is that some US troops kill and torture innocent Iraqis, (women and children too), because they seem to enjoy it.
9:29 pm [ Quote ]
Ongoing Investigations Into Haditha Incident…
If the facts and evidence bears out the need to harshly punish those involved, then that must be done. At the same time, we should not let members of Congress with an agenda push this issue further and faster than the facts and evidence allows or dic…..
9:36 pm [ Quote ]
The thing I don’t understand about liberal thinking is:
I have to admit, the reason for going into war with Iraq may be controversial, but that’s open to discussion.
Liberal’s insistence that we leave Iraq just because the reasons that we invaded were invalid is dangerous. If we pulled out of Iraq now, the country will be a training camp for more terrorists.
Personally I don’t see what’s the “evil” in establishing a Middle East country that is pro-American, pro-democracy, and pro-equality (which are Western value btw). Before we invaded, Iraq was massacring its own citizens, and their killing of citizens is totally different from American killings.
American killing are collateral damage, since the US military does not aim to kill the innocents, that’s the exact opposite of Iraqi genocide on the Kurds. Liberals, argue that!
You’re points are well made but will fall on deaf ears..
9:36 pm [ Quote ]
Very simple…..
ANY hint of success in Iraq will be a blow to the Liberals because they have positioned themselves only to prosper with an American defeat in Iraq!
The scummy Left.
9:36 pm [ Quote ]
Your ignorant name negates just about everything you might ever have to say. No wait, make that EVERYTHING you might ever have to say.
You’re Tardish reply is the face of Liberals today, no wonder you keep losing..
9:37 pm [ Quote ]
Very simple…..
ANY hint of success in Iraq will be a blow to the Liberals because they have positioned themselves only to prosper with an American defeat in Iraq!
The scummy Left.
Exactly!
9:39 pm [ Quote ]
I forgot one…
Liberal’s insistence that we leave Iraq just because the reasons that we invaded were invalid is dangerous. If we pulled out of Iraq now, the country will be a training camp for more terrorists.
Not all Liberals insist on an immediate pull out of Iraq. Not even this year (although 75% of the troops believe we should leave this year). But your assumption that Iraq will become a training camp for terrorists has no basis.
1) Iraq was not a trainnig camp before we invaded.
2) Military leaders believe our presence in Iraq is the terrorist’s best (possibly only) recruiting tool. They want us out of their country. We are their target.
3) As long as we shoulder the burdon (and cost) if protecting Iraq there is little incentive for the Iraqis to protect themselves.
We train ANY American, of just about ANY intelligence level, to be an American solder in just a few months. But we’ve been trying to train the Iraqis, to protect their OWN country, for YEARS now? I don’t believe it.
This was a dumb idea. We took our eyes off the goal of bin Laden in Afghanistan, and now we’re losing both countries. All because of Bush’s and the NeoCon’s (and the oil companies), obsession with Iraq. That not only pre-dated 9/11 but his first term in office too!
9:44 pm [ Quote ]
ANY hint of success in Iraq will be a blow to the Liberals because they have positioned themselves only to prosper with an American defeat in Iraq!
But we are being defeated in Iraq and it’s only Halliburton who’s prospering.
Remember, 69 Fighting Dems! 69 Iraq and Afgan vets running for office this fall.
Republicans vets? ... 1, I think. But maybe he dropped out.
9:47 pm [ Quote ]
Your ignorant name negates just about everything you might ever have to say. No wait, make that EVERYTHING you might ever have to say.
You don’t see the humour in your comment, do you?
Let me spell it out for you. It’s spelled:
B-U-C-K-F-U-S-H
10:06 pm [ Quote ]
The Marines are figthing for America and all of them deserve the presumption of innocence until and unless proven guilty. Murtha believes they are guilty until and unless the prove their own innocence.
The man reported to have witnessed these so-called murders, said he did not witness them.
The man reported to have compared this incident to Abu Graib said his words were taken out of context and other exculpatory evidence he is aware of has not yet been presented.
If they are guilty they must pay the penalty and anyone trying to cover-up the incident should be dishonorably discharged. The people reporting this incident to the media and people like Murtha are guilty of not reporting it up the chain of command first.
Let us give our warriors a fair chance and the benefit of presumption of innocence, that is the American way.
10:06 pm [ Quote ]
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10:43 pm [ Quote ]
Well, let me just ask one question:
as an American, do you think America will be safer if we pull out of Iraq now? Or do we have to finish the job we started there?
10:50 pm [ Quote ]
I forgot one…
Liberal’s insistence that we leave Iraq just because the reasons that we invaded were invalid is dangerous. If we pulled out of Iraq now, the country will be a training camp for more terrorists.
Not all Liberals insist on an immediate pull out of Iraq. Not even this year (although 75% of the troops believe we should leave this year). But your assumption that Iraq will become a training camp for terrorists has no basis.
1) Iraq was not a trainnig camp before we invaded.
2) Military leaders believe our presence in Iraq is the terrorist’s best (possibly only) recruiting tool. They want us out of their country. We are their target.
3) As long as we shoulder the burdon (and cost) if protecting Iraq there is little incentive for the Iraqis to protect themselves.
We train ANY American, of just about ANY intelligence level, to be an American solder in just a few months. But we’ve been trying to train the Iraqis, to protect their OWN country, for YEARS now? I don’t believe it.
This was a dumb idea. We took our eyes off the goal of bin Laden in Afghanistan, and now we’re losing both countries. All because of Bush’s and the NeoCon’s (and the oil companies), obsession with Iraq. That not only pre-dated 9/11 but his first term in office too!
1. Iraq was not a terrorist training camp before we invaded? Maybe not a camp, but it was a satellite, it had ties with Al-Queda and other anti-American groups!
2. So if US military cease to exist, then terrorism will die down since they ain’t got no target no more, lol.
3. I think we are trying our best to train the Iraquis, so they can take over the responsibility. But it’s just not as fast as we want, and of course this is gonna be attacked by liberals.
2.
11:07 pm [ Quote ]
The Party the Marines Spoiled in Haditha…
The executions are carried out at dawn on Haqlania bridge, the entrance to Haditha. A small crowd usually turns up to watch even though the killings are filmed and made available on DVD in the market the same afternoon….
11:59 pm [ Quote ]
Ya know, this ‘liberals hate America’ bullshit is running sooo thin. Grow up you morons.
12:00 am [ Quote ]
But your assumption that Iraq will become a training camp for terrorists has no basis.
1) Iraq was not a trainnig camp before we invaded.
If you mean that absolutely literally, then yes you are correct: The entire country of Iraq was not a terrorist training camp before the invaision. However, Saddam operated numerous terrorist training camps and funded nemerous terrorist organizations (though his connection to al-Qaeda was certainly overplayed). The insurgency is concentrated in four provinces and in the event of a US pullout there would definetely be terrorist training camps there (i.e. the existing training camps would be expanded). Of course, there is no guarentee that were the US to stay longer that this wouldn’t happen.
2) Military leaders believe our presence in Iraq is the terrorist’s best (possibly only) recruiting tool. They want us out of their country. We are their target.
It is true that the US presence in Iraq is a great recruiting tool. But driving the US out of Iraq would also be a great recruiting tool (just as the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was a recruiting tool and the explusion of the Soviets was equally good). Also, if you look at the causality figures the US isn’t “the target”. The target is the Shia majority.
3) As long as we shoulder the burdon (and cost) if protecting Iraq there is little incentive for the Iraqis to protect themselves.
We train ANY American, of just about ANY intelligence level, to be an American solder in just a few months. But we’ve been trying to train the Iraqis, to protect their OWN country, for YEARS now? I don’t believe it.
There are a lot of reasons why it’s harder to train Iraqis
This was a dumb idea. We took our eyes off the goal of bin Laden in Afghanistan, and now we’re losing both countries. All because of Bush’s and the NeoCon’s (and the oil companies), obsession with Iraq. That not only pre-dated 9/11 but his first term in office too!
Oil Companies, in general, tend to be very pro-Arab and pro-stability. They would far have prefered ending the sanctions and dealing directly with Saddam.
The way to think of this question isn’t: “Will bad things happen if the US leaves”. Yes. Yes, they will. The right question is, “Even if the US stays, will these bad things happen”? And it seems that’s also, unfortunately, yes. If a massive civil war erupts in Iraq (as opposed to the limited one that’s happening now), it will bad for the US army and bad for the US to be caught in the middle of it. So there’s nothing “evil” about establishing a pro-American, pro-democracy, and pro-equality regime in Iraq. That’d be awesome to have. But that’s a pipe dream. The Iraqis are not, in general, any of those things. A pro-Iranian, theocratic and anti-equality Iraq (with simmering violence) is far more likely.
NB on the orginal topic: “official reports” are not the same thing as “rumors”.
12:05 am [ Quote ]
Let’s think of oil here for a minute and the Iraq war.
First, who is North of Iraq / Middle East?
-Russia
Who is East of the Middle East?
-China
Who is 10,000 miles away?
-USA
However I do not think Bush is smart enough to think fare enough into the future to see that Russia and China will annex middle east oil wells in loaded countries, he may have inadvertantly saved our asses in the long run (as long as the supply lasts). Think about it, when these 2 countries develop, we’re screwed. They have 40 times the people and could easily offer a higher ppb (price per barrell) within thte next few years if not right away. When gas goes up to 5$ per gallon or just below, Russia and China will not be able to monopolize the ENTIRE oil industry… This may have been ingenious Bush Dumb Luck… guess we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out…
12:11 am [ Quote ]
RE #14… I’m in hysterics
12:19 am [ Quote ]
A reporter’s shock at the Haditha allegations
It actually took me a while to put all the pieces together—that I know these guys, the U.S. Marines at the heart of the alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians in Haditha.
I don’t know why it didn’t register with me until now. It was only after scrolling through the tapes that we shot in Haditha last fall, and I found footage of some of the officers that had been relieved of their command, that it hit me.
I know the Marines that were operating in western al Anbar, from Husayba all the way to Haditha. I went on countless operations in 2005 up and down the Euphrates River Valley. I was pinned on rooftops with them in Ubeydi for hours taking incoming fire, and I’ve seen them not fire a shot back because they did not have positive identification on a target. (Watch a Marine’s anguish over deaths—2:12)
I saw their horror when they thought that they finally had identified their target, fired a tank round that went through a wall and into a house filled with civilians. They then rushed to help the wounded—remarkably no one was killed.
I was with them in Husayba as they went house to house in an area where insurgents would booby-trap doors, or lie in wait behind closed doors with an AK-47, basically on suicide missions, just waiting for the Marines to come through and open fire. There were civilians in the city as well, and the Marines were always keenly aware of that fact. How they didn’t fire at shadows, not knowing what was waiting in each house, I don’t know. But they didn’t.
And I was with them in Haditha, a month before the alleged killings last November of some 24 Iraqi civilians.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/30/damon.iraq.btsc/index.html
12:25 am [ Quote ]
Kill the troops to save them…
I mean, it’s pretty damned obvious, isn;t it.
No matter what the troops face, the liberals and whomever bankrools guys like Murtha dna Kerry, want to screw up the war plan, screw up the mission, have them return for nothing and bascially tell them they are mindless automatons fighting for nothing.
But they support the troops, Winter Soldier Kerry supports the troops.
Kill them to save them, the motto of liberals everywhere.
12:26 am [ Quote ]
Too bad that article only made it onto CNN’s website..
12:45 am [ Quote ]
If Murtha isn’t just media-whoring (again) and really believes what he’s saying, then he needs to redeploy his sorry ass to that Ha-Ha Hotel, otherwise known as the Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital.
Ya know, this ‘liberals hate America’ bullshit is running sooo thin. Grow up you morons.
Liberals hating America isn’t bullshit billw.
It’s a documented and well known fact that can’t and won’t wear thin anytime soon – thanks only to them.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/16019.jpg
Do those look like Neocons or Reagan Democrats to you?
1:07 am [ Quote ]
A Suspicious Piece to the Haditha Puzzle…
Amid a damaging scandal in which United States Marines in November 2005 may have killed Iraqi civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in retaliation for the death of a Marine by an insurgentÂ’s IED (Improvised Explosive Device), a little Iraqi girlÂ’s candid testi…
2:23 am [ Quote ]
Most of you little boys haven’t earned the right to lick the boot of someone like Murtha. You have no experience to judge someone like Murtha. You condemn him only because he doesn’t agree with your demagogue.
PS The Dixie Chicks new single is great. I’ve been hearing it on many country stations. I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t hit number one soon.
3:05 am [ Quote ]
the dixie chicks blow buddy. and not just their music. all this liberal political music coming out in the mainstream is getting old and isn’t helping their case.
3:10 am [ Quote ]
exposetheright,
I doubt Murtha wears his combat boots any longer. Plese note: some of us are not boys.
Yeah, we should not judge Murtha but it is OK to judge those Marines. Maybe it is you who should not judge those who do not agree with you.
AS for the Dixie Twits new single. Maybe it is the fans that are “not ready to be nice” LOL
Not Ready to Make Nice, the album’s fiery lead single, peaked at No. 36 on Billboard’s Hot Country Songs chart. Follow-up single Everybody Knows currently sits at No. 48. That’s a far cry from the six chart-toppers and slew of other radio hits the Chicks have racked up since the release of their breakout album, Wide Open Spaces, in 1998.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/3883291.html
3:18 am [ Quote ]
exposetheright,
Here is more facts
“Not Ready” peaked at No. 36 and quickly dropped to No. 50 in the trade journal Billboard Radio Monitor, which charts radio spins. That’s indicative of many stations spinning the single once or twice but not adding it to playlists.
A second single, a progressive country tune about celebrity culture called “Everybody Knows,” was released to radio days ago and is getting minimal airplay nationally.
3:19 am [ Quote ]
sorry forgot to put the link
http://www.qctimes.net/articles/2006/05/28/features/arts_leisure/doc4479235fa0f71478866830.txt
6:39 am [ Quote ]
Most of you little boys haven’t earned the right to lick the boot of someone like Murtha.
LOL, and so the implicit agreement in this sentence that you have no problem licking his boots shows the bootlicking mentality of the modern liberal.
Put some ice on that boy.
7:33 am [ Quote ]
Yeah, but the Dixie Chicks irritate the hell out of you neocons and that’s what counts. Look at all of the postings I got from you. But they are getting the air time and everytime someone hears them they are reminded how big of a mistake the war really was, so in effect, they are winning… In spite of all of your little facts.
7:52 am [ Quote ]
You bunch of idiots, Murtha is just tell us in the US what the Iraqi’s have been talking about for months. If he and CNN didn’t bring it to our attention it would still be not known here, but in Iraq it is common knowledge. This is just something the neocons have to complain about. And you talk about the liberals whinning all of the time.
8:29 am [ Quote ]
So Murtha supports the troops by calling them cold blooded killers. John Kerry supports the troops by telling the world that they terrorize women and children by the moonlit sky. Of course we know this isnt John Kerrys first go around in making accusations against the troops. At least this time he didnt say “Ghengis Kahn” in that crappy accent.
What wonderful faces of the democrat party
9:49 am [ Quote ]
I think you are stretching the truth just a little here. But what the heck, that’s what this site is all about.
9:52 am [ Quote ]
I agree with most of the sentiments here, but let’s tell it like it really is, secretly, we’re glad that American boys shoot infants at point blank range because it proves that the terrorists are losing, ha-ha, that’s a new recruit you won’t get raghead!! It’s awesome that America still has freedom where we can defend our boys for spreading freedom to the Iraqis, thank you.
10:20 am [ Quote ]
Murtha does not support the troops. It is that simple.
10:38 am [ Quote ]
Murtha does not support the troops. It is that simple.
If the Marine Corps behaved like Marines, and did an investigation immediately, instead of covering it up, things would not have been as bad. I think that is what has pissed Murtha off the most. From what I have seen he is telling the Marines to act like Marines. He also seems to know what they are facing every day in Iraq.
Just remember how effective our leadership is. Bush learned about the massacre from the press. And you “people” support this moron? Bush couldn’t run a lemonade stand.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060531/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraqi_civilians;_ylt=Amm9W9mUfRHujcp4a7VhqdKyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA
No matter how many names you want to call “liberals” the stupidest liberal on the planet could do a better job than our current leadership. Bush, and all his corrupt, dishonest, bloodthirsty, incompetent, friends.
What did America do to deserve Bush? Name one neo-con who has a child serving in Iraq. Oh I forgot. Fighting is up to “other people’s” children.
10:40 am [ Quote ]
exposetheright,
Sorry you did not irritate the hell out of me. I like the Chicks music, they are talented and will remain in the industry but will not be as popular.
My first post was because, I thought you’d appreciate actual facts about the chicks latest single/CD. I have backed up my posts with real links to several newspapers. I do not see any links in your post. I doubt you can provide any links to backup your assertions because what you think “is” is not real. You live in a make believe world. You write of things others have known for months but never say what they have been talking about or know.
BTW: CNN has lost most of it’s audience. You are one of about 600,000 to a million that still watch. FNC is now the most watched Cable news. Check the ratings! Now that irritates YOU! LOL If you do not like what you see and read hear go somewhere else.
10:42 am [ Quote ]
So when Murtha turns out to be 100% right, you are all going to apologize right?
I put more blame on our failed leadership, than I put on our Marines. There is no way I could imagine going out on patrol wondering if “today is the day” for months on end.
These kids joined the military after 9-11 to defend America, and they find themselves only creating more enemies, and being lied to. Has to suck big time.
10:52 am [ Quote ]
Murtha slimes our troops: “…it looks like it’s the policy of our troops to do something like this.”...
I wonder how many hardcore anti-Iraq war/anti-Bush lefties will try to excuse the latest sliming of our troops by Rep. John Murtha? (emphasis added):
MURTHA: Well, what I worry about, Wolf, is that this happened six months ago.
And nothing — you…
10:54 am [ Quote ]
Dan,
You should settle down. Man you are going to fry your brain.
Can you and Exposetheright define “Neocon”. ETR says those of us at this site are neocons but you ask us to name one neo-con who has a child serving in Iraq.
you wrote:
No matter how many names you want to call “liberals” the stupidest liberal on the planet could do a better job than our current leadership. Bush, and all his corrupt, dishonest, bloodthirsty, incompetent, friends.
You say we call libs names then in the SAME paragraph you do some name calling of your own. Maybe instead of name calling, you should be more consistent and use logical. arguments.
10:57 am [ Quote ]
Dan,
You can not have it both ways. In post #41 you wrote: Bush learned about the massacre from the press.
Then in post #43 you wrote: I put more blame on our failed leadership, than I put on our Marines.
Like I wrote in Post #45: instead of name calling, you should be more consistent and use logical arguments.
12:18 pm [ Quote ]
So when Murtha turns out to be 100% right, you are all going to apologize right?
Um, for what…for Murtha convicting Marines before they have a fair trial?
Isn’t that quite fascist of you…
12:57 pm [ Quote ]
Hey BillyW, so you say Libs don’t hate America? Now THAT’S funny!! If you don’t thing Pelosi and Reid are rooting for the Islamo fascists in Iraq in order to gain politically, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya. Give me example of one thing each has done to support our war effort. Just one each.
1:20 pm [ Quote ]
Murtha slimes our troops: “…it looks like it’s the policy of our troops to do something like this.”...
I wonder how many hardcore anti-Iraq war/anti-Bush lefties will try to excuse the latest sliming of our troops by Rep. John Murtha? (emphasis added):
MURTHA: Well, what I worry about, Wolf, is that this happened six months ago.
And nothing — you…
By not putting the words before “it” you take what he said out of context. SOP for righties. Take half of a sencence, and then scream outrage without the whole story. Where did you learn it, Rush, Hannity, or Coulter?
It has to suck when your ideology is based 100% on distortion, lies, adn hypocracy.
1:25 pm [ Quote ]
we hate America
1:57 pm [ Quote ]
Dan,
You should settle down. Man you are going to fry your brain.
Can you and Exposetheright define “Neocon”. ETR says those of us at this site are neocons but you ask us to name one neo-con who has a child serving in Iraq.
you wrote:
No matter how many names you want to call “liberals” the stupidest liberal on the planet could do a better job than our current leadership. Bush, and all his corrupt, dishonest, bloodthirsty, incompetent, friends.
You say we call libs names then in the SAME paragraph you do some name calling of your own. Maybe instead of name calling, you should be more consistent and use logical. arguments.
I am not talking about the people at this site. I respect everyone here, and their opinions, even if they differ from mine. Especially the ones that served. I even try to hold back on my comments of what I really think about out “commander” (sic) in chief.
I was talking about the neocons in the administration. Rumsfeld, Perle, Bush, Cheney, and the other New American Century True Believers.
The people that think causing the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people, and occupying their land is somehow good for America. It is really working out good for Israel right?
The invasion of Iraq without UN approval is WRONG, and ILLEGAL. No amount of lies will change this fact. Since we “took out” Saddam, every death in Iraq is our responsibility, because we took control of their security, and we blew it big time. There are now words that will adequately describe the carnage we unleashed on these people.
Yeah, yeah, I will tell you what the difference is. There is a difference between Saddam killing innocent people, and us causing the deaths by incompetence, and lack of real leadership. And you want to complain about Murtha. I would replace Rumsfeld with Murtha any day.
Sorry to tell it to you straight, but you will get over it I hope.
Then to find out Bush didn’t even know about Haditha until the news story broke.
Our military is broken.
Thank You Don Rumsfeld for destroying out military. Murtha has every right to be pissed. You should be pissed too. Not at Murtha, but at Bush, and Rumsfeld, the people who are responsible for these problems.
Incompetence, compunded by dishonesty, coverups, and lack or taking responsibility.
The new military code? I feel so sorry for our troops, when their leaders set this kind of example.
2:02 pm [ Quote ]
Hey BillyW, so you say Libs don’t hate America? Now THAT’S funny!! If you don’t thing Pelosi and Reid are rooting for the Islamo fascists in Iraq in order to gain politically, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya. Give me example of one thing each has done to support our war effort. Just one each.
Ed, we have 2 options. Leave now, or let Bush make matters worse, and worse, and worse. Maybe we can lose 58,000 troops just like Vietnam right?
We may have a 3rd option that people a lot smarter than Bush should be able to come up with. The problem is the fact that they don’t listen to anyone. Now just send off your sons and daughters to die for Bush.
Just don’t ask them to die for America, because Bush seems to despise everything our country stands for.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060531/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_iraqi_civilians;_ylt=Amm9W9mUfRHujcp4a7VhqdKyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA
2:31 pm [ Quote ]
BillyW: In right wing world, demanding the president do his job, and protect us is helping the islamn fascists, and hating america right?
How is the implementation of the 9-11 commission reccomendations coming along? Oh another F?
Iraq is falling apart (along with Afghanistan) because of Bush, and Rumsfeld, not democrats. Sorry to break the news to you…
3:37 pm [ Quote ]
Post No. 41 is suffering from a bad case of anti-military and anti-Bush sentiments coupled with a lot of arrogance.
Post Writer No. 41 is assuming that there has been a massacre by Marines, assuming that there has been a cover up and assuming that Bush should know what Post Writer No. 41 assumes to be true. We don’t know, however, that there was a massacre by Marines, we don’t know that there was a cover up and we should not expect the President to know what happened in advance of the completion of the investigation that the President has noted is ongoing.
What we do know here is that Post Writer No. 41 does not acknowledge that brave Marines were in combat who were subject to the rules of war, that the area was infested with Jihad insurgents who don’t abide by international laws of war and who don’t care about civilian casualties, and that the investigation has not been completed.
In fairness to the Marines and soldiers who put their lives on the line, it is stupid to be rushing to judgment like how Post Writer 41 has. Pavano was prosecuted and tried, but the medical evidence at trial exonerated him. In contrast, don’t expect any Jihadists to be out in trial by as Qaeda for violations of the laws of war.
4:25 pm [ Quote ]
ordi,
Libs have no logic and therefore can not argue logically.
You can post all the facts you want but they will still say the same BS crap regardless.
I have posted this before and will keep on posting it as long as it remains true.
The attempted benefit for Dems doing BS crap like what Martha (intentional mis-spelling) and Kerry have done is to try and gain political points.
Do whatever, say whatever to “win America’s vote”. Nevermind a possible future backlash or repercussion. We’ll deal with that later, right now JUST WIN ! ! !
The point still remains about a “Veteran” disrespecting our troops while they’re in combat. Both panty waists have done it and should not have – period. It demoralizes the troops attitude and gives margin for error in tasks due to the change in attitude.
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billw Said:
11:59 pm [ Quote ]
Ya know, this ‘liberals hate America’ bullshit is running sooo thin. Grow up you morons.
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Name one “neocon” / Republican saying bullshit like Martha and Kerry are saying. They do not DISRESPECT the troops or bad mouth anyone like the LIBS DO. Everything coming out from the left is complete hate type speech.
Dan,
Regardless of whether he is right or not, HE IS STILL DISRESPECTING THE TROOPS! ! ! He is saying they are guilty even before an investigation is complete or charges being filed.
If you need more proof of the HATE SPEAK I will be more than happy to oblidge. In the meantime think about what you want to say, then back it up with facts. It’s called arguing logically.
4:40 pm [ Quote ]
Haditha: jackpot for the antiwar Left…
I’m even more surprised to find so many on the Left willing to not only believe it, but are tripping over themselves in their rush to judgement as well as spraining their shoulders while they try to pat themselves on the back for their opposition of ….
5:07 pm [ Quote ]
Hey Danny, you really are a lib idiot. Sure sounds like you want the Islamo Fascists to prevail in this war, eh? Nice Danny, real nice. I’ll pray you get brain cancer.
5:24 pm [ Quote ]
More Examples of hate speak and “advantaged opportunity”.
The immigration rally in Washington with Ted Kennedy speaking.
Wellstone’s death in 2002 and Daschle talking about “winning this election for Wellstone”. (point is – death = political opportunity).
Coretta Scott King Funeral and Clinton speaking. – http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2006/02/08/20060208_162400_flash8.htm
9/11 and how Bush “knew it was going to happen”.
The BULLSHIT conspiracy theories about Bush blowing the places up. (Now that’s grasping if you ask me.)
Rove. . . Abramoff. . . (even with some validity – the point is a political opportunity)
The list could go on and on but my point again is – anything to regain control. . .
5:37 pm [ Quote ]
Dan,
I was wrong. Your brain is fried. I do not know how you can have such a distorted opinion of what has transpired in the past 5 years but your’s is sure distorted.
I asked you to define “neocon” not explain which ones you were talking about. Please, define it as you use it. It appears you are anti-Semitic. Why are you so afraid of the Jews?
To set the record straight:
1 – We have NOT caused the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people. Your figure is pure propaganda from the fever swamps.
2- The invasion of Iraq without UN approval is NOT wrong or ILLEGAL. No amount of YOUR lies will change this fact. This is more propaganda from your fever swamp. The US has the LEGAL RIGHT to defend itself. Iraq did not uphold the treaty it signed with the US after the Gulf War. This is just one of the reasons given in the declaration of war the House and Senate voted on which authorized our action in Iraq. By US law and international law this is RIGHT AND LEGAL!
Coalition troops are now in Iraq at the request of Iraq and an agreement it asked the UN for. Read this:
At Iraqi Request, the UN Extends Approval for US-Led Forces to Stay
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/2005/0601approval.htm
Sorry to tell it to you straight, but you will get over it.
3 – Our military is NOT broken. They are the MOST effective, deadly and compassionate fighting force in the history of man!
4 – We are no longer an occupying force. The Iraq now has a government that has been duly elected. See item 2 above: At Iraqi Request, the UN Extends Approval for US-Led Forces to Stay
No matter how many times you repeat your propaganda it does not become true. Sorry to tell it to you straight, but you will get over it.
6:11 pm [ Quote ]
Please I would love it if someone disputed me that was not on the wrong end of a crack pipe. I want to hear good, clear, agruments to my positions based in fact. Please convince me the invasion of Iraq was not a tragic mistake. I am all ears, and I mean it. Just don’t give me GOP talking points, and outright lies. I get enough of that listening to FOX.
6:19 pm [ Quote ]
Dan
I did provide good, clear, agruments based in fact.
You accuse me of drug use only because you CAN NOT argue against THE FACTS I provide. That is called diversion. You wrote: I am all ears, and I mean it. No you are not! You dodge, weave and divert because YOU can not handle the truth and the REAL facts nor can you provide solid arguements against what I wrote. The arguements I used were Facts. Just because you can not handle them does not mean they are not true.
Now address my post # 59!
FYI: If you get enough of FNC - STOP WATCHING IT!
6:29 pm [ Quote ]
Ordi. Please provide a link to when we declared war on Iraq.
Sorry about the drug use comment. I didn’t mean it. You were in my opinion making things up (like the congress declared war) thing. Authorizing military force (if necessary) is not the same thing ad declaring war.
Sorry.
Especially when the president was claiming he was doing all he could to avoid an invadion, when according to multiple documents from England turned out to be just another lie.
We invaded Iraq because Saddam “may” someday get WMD’s, and if he does (kinda hard with weapons inspectors looking under every rock) hand them off to Al Queda, his sworn enemy. A lot of maybes there to be a invadin’ countries, when we have a real enemy Al Queda, and Iran, who our invasion would only help.
You probably haven’t been watching the news out of Afghanistan lately have you?
We didn’t take our eye off the ball. We practically left the ballpark. Hey but Bush got the war he always wanted! Daddy’s “mistake” has been set right right?
6:59 pm [ Quote ]
Dan,
I was not making things up. I may have used stronger language then necessary. Explain to me why we call in the Iraq War and why did Congress titled the resolution as such:
IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION
http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686
Senate approves Iraq war resolution
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/
We still entered Iraq legally, no matter what leftist BS you attempt to peddle.
Read the resolution and you will see there was and is more than WMD as justification. Or would being faced with the REAL FACTS bring your world crashing down?
Yes, I have watched the news on Afghanistan. Just because things are not going exactly like YOU think they should DOES NOT mean we have left the ballpark. I am sure our troops, coalition troops and NATO troops that are there don’t appreciate you thinking and saying that because it is not true.
You keep disproving your own assertions. You say we did not declare war on iraq then you write: . Hey but Bush got the war he always wanted! Daddy’s “mistake” has been set right
Your choice of words not mine. LOL
You are too funny! LOL You actually believe the Lefts propaganda about those British documents! OMG are you ever gullible! LOL The Downing Street Memo thing was such a misreading and distortion of the actual report, I thought you were smarter than that. I guess I was wrong.
Please note I am the one that has provided links in my posts. You have provided NONE! All you have as arguments are stupid assertions the left uses as propaganda.
7:03 pm [ Quote ]
Neoconservatism (or neocon) refers to the political movement, ideology, and public policy goals of “new conservatives” in the United States, that are relatively unopposed to “big government” principles and believe in limited restrictions on social spending.
7:36 pm [ Quote ]
Bagged another one.
Noe, Bush Pioneer pleads guilty. Still facing almost 50 other charges. Oh well. No corruption here, move along, move along.
http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.toledoblade.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcs.dll%2Farticle%3FDate%3D20060531%26Category%3DBREAKINGNEWS%26ArtNo%3D60531057%26SectionCat%3D%26Template%3Dprintart
8:45 pm [ Quote ]
“Please I would love it if someone disputed me that was not on the wrong end of a crack pipe. I want to hear good, clear, agruments to my positions based in fact.”
Dan, try posting a single fact for a change and maybe someone can have a real discussion with you. All of you ever post is insane hysteria in which you tell us how much you mindlessly hate Bush.
And exposetheright, I don’t believe you’re a veteran. In my experience, liberals tend to be shameless liars, so I really see no reason to believe you. I think you’re a 12-year-old who thinks that the idiotic argument that the opinions of liberal veterans are somehow more valid than those of non-veterans or conservative veterans is somehow valid.
8:47 pm [ Quote ]
You guys work so hard to demonize Rep. Murtha. Talk about disrespecting the troops…you should be ashamed of the way you disrespect a man who served his country with dignity, and still continues to do so.
Here is a quote from Time Magazine regarding the whole Haditha scandal:
“The darkest suspicions about the killings were confirmed last week, when members of Congress who were briefed on the two ongoing military investigations disclosed that at least some members of a Marine unit may soon be charged in connection with the deaths of the Iraqis—and that the charges may include murder, which carries the death penalty. “This was a small number of Marines who fired directly on civilians and killed them,” said Representative John Kline, a Minnesota Republican and former Marine who was briefed two weeks ago by Marine Corps officials. “This is going to be an ugly story.”
So, here is a REPUBLICAN former Marine who is confirming Murtha’s assertions. Go ahead, take your best shot. Let’s see what kind of nasty lies you can concoct about him. If you are going to be stupid, at least be an equal opportunity swiftboater.
8:56 pm [ Quote ]
The basic principle of the American legal system is the absolute presumtion of innocence until and unless guilt is proven through the judicial process. Anyone violating that principle, whether they be politicians, journalists or average citizens are guilty of violating this basic human right and are placing themselves at risk should they ever be charged with a crime and judged guilty absent due process.
When Murtha or others also include charges against the military, command structure absent completion of the evidentiary and the judicial process are at best irresponsible, at worst passionately anti-military.
You on the left are unable to separate the past military service of Murtha from his current reckless charges and presumption of guilt. Why? Because of your blind hatred for Bush and the United States Armed Forces.
8:58 pm [ Quote ]
“You guys work so hard to demonize Rep. Murtha. Talk about disrespecting the troops…you should be ashamed of the way you disrespect a man who served his country with dignity, and still continues to do so.”
Murtha is a senile old fool who should have retired years ago. Hopefully he’ll be kicked out of office in disgrace in November.
“So, here is a REPUBLICAN former Marine who is confirming Murtha’s assertions.”
No he isn’t, you liar. He said that the Marines fired on civilians and that they’ll be charged. He hasn’t already tried and convicted them as Murtha has.
9:07 pm [ Quote ]
JWL:
“WASHINGTON – A preliminary military inquiry found evidence that U.S. Marines killed two dozen Iraqi civilians in an unprovoked attack in November, contradicting the troops’ account, U.S. officials said on Wednesday. President George W. Bush said he was troubled by news stories on the November 19 killings of men, women and children in the town of Haditha, and a general at the Pentagon said the incident could complicate the job for the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.”
Yeah, I’m the liar. Nice try. I’m sure Murtha will still have his job after November, and he will be joined by plenty of other Democrats.
9:13 pm [ Quote ]
Brkoen Mirror: Please go to the link Ian provided “A Suspicious Piece to the Haditha Puzzle…” While it is conclusive of nothing, it does show those on the Left who hate our Marines that there MIGHT BE other plausible explanations for this event.
9:30 pm [ Quote ]
Brkoen Mirror: Please go to the link Ian provided “A Suspicious Piece to the Haditha Puzzle…” While it is conclusive of nothing, it does show those on the Left who hate our Marines that there MIGHT BE other plausible explanations for this event.
Are you saying that Rep. Murtha hates the Marines? What about Rep. John Kline (a former Marine)? And General Wesley Clark? They hate the Marines, as well? What about the panel who conducted the preliminary military inquiry that I mentioned in my earlier post? I suppose they hate the Marines, too. Or, maybe it’s just me. I mean, I am a liberal, so I must hate the military, and America and our freedom, right? Or maybe, just maybe, you are an angry old load with a horrible case of tunnelvision. That’s what I’m putting my money on.
9:53 pm [ Quote ]
BrokenMirror or should I say broken record?
Who are those appearing to hate the military and the Corps? I am speaking of those on the LEFT posting here that are supporting Murtha’s condemnation and absolute judgement of guilt of the Marines in the Haditha matter, absent a completion of the investigation and the judicial process to determine guilt or innocence. By the way, I was a member of the Corps in Vietnam as was my brother, and my grandson and nephew are Marines serving in Iraq today; so I may suggest my opinion carries as much weight as these politicians!
Murtha and Clarke are extreme partisans and are hoping for any chance to use the military to condemn Bush. They are hoping and praying for defeat in Iraq so the LEFT may return to power in the Congress and White House, if their words cause the deaths of more soldiers, that is the price Murtha, Clarke and the Democrat Party is willing to pay for power.
Everyone posting here, plese note that it is this LEFTIST BrokenMirror that started the name calling “you are an angry old load with a horrible case of tunnelvision,” instead of engaging in reasonable, civil debate.
11:58 pm [ Quote ]
Bagged another two!
The FBI arrested two men who did computer work for a powerful state senator Wednesday on charges that they permanently deleted e-mails to thwart a federal investigation.
Leonard P. Luchko and Mark Eister performed electronic “wipes” of computers at Sen. Vincent J. Fumo’s Senate offices, his home at the New Jersey shore and at a nonprofit with deep ties to Fumo, the FBI alleged in an affidavit.
SNIP
Luchko and Eister, employees of a state Senate entity that provides computer services to its Democratic members, are charged with obstruction of justice.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-pennsylvania-investigation,0,5713706.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
2:41 am [ Quote ]
Murtha is no partisan. Clark certainly is, but to imply the murtha is the least bit partisan is a bullfaced lie. There’s a piecce somewhere on this site about flag burning and well, Murtha co-sponsored the anti-flag desecration amendment in the house.
Look at his voting record. He’s consistently been one of the most moderate Democrats in the House of Representatives. Simple as that.
7:07 am [ Quote ]
Umnumzana:
BrokenMirror or should I say broken record?
“Hello, kettle? This is the pot. You’re black!”
8:14 am [ Quote ]
By the way, Umnumzana, if this is what you call reasonable civil debate:
“Murtha and Clarke are extreme partisans and are hoping for any chance to use the military to condemn Bush. They are hoping and praying for defeat in Iraq so the LEFT may return to power in the Congress and White House, if their words cause the deaths of more soldiers, that is the price Murtha, Clarke and the Democrat Party is willing to pay for power.”
you are sadly mistaken. Are you not an extreme partisan, as well?
This just appeared on AP:
“WASHINGTON – A U.S. military investigation into actions taken following a deadly incident in western Iraq will conclude that some officers gave false testimony to their superiors, The Washington Post reported. And a top U.S. commander in Iraq announced new core values training on moral and ethical standards for U.S. troops.”
Murtha’s no dummy, and he is not senile. You guys want to label him as such, but he knows exactly what he is talking about.
9:04 am [ Quote ]
What part of THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT DONE YET do you not understand?
“I’m sure Murtha will still have his job after November, and he will be joined by plenty of other Democrats.”
Possibly, there sure are a lot of unbelievably stupid people in this country, as evidenced by how many voted for Kerry and how many defend Murtha.