He’s gone beyond-the-bounds and this is another case of the media not checking him on-the-spot with an opposing view – he can keep dropping names and won’t be challenged. I don’t care if he was a veteran, his present actions totally nullifies any respect accorded to him for his Service and it’s too bad he never ‘stopped a round’.

Come on “Liberal Bias”

November 2008 will have a Clinton/Murtha campaign winning with 53% of the vote. He is probably the greatest war hero that has ever lived.

You mean another rumor like there were murders of innocent civilians. If you haven’t figured it out yet, Murtha has an inside track to the military. Most military are sickened by what happened and they want those who did those crimes or covered up those crimes exposed and punished. Most military are very honorable men and women and when something like that happens they are the first to be sickened. It also makes their lives more dangerous and the only way to instill the great honor the US Military is to seek out those that committed those crimes and punish them. That is the real code of military honor and something some of you little boys who haven’t severed don’t understand. Murtha is acting on the request of those in the military who live by the code of honor. That code says that you will protect civilian lives, even if they are the enemy. But you have to have served in the military to understand that.

LtntWolfe on May 28, 2006 at 2:43 pm said:

November 2008 will have a Clinton/Murtha campaign winning with 53% of the vote. He is probably the greatest war hero that has ever lived.

Greatest war hero ever? Please share with us why you think that.

Ever hear of Audie Murphy?

>A reader tipped me off to a post by Redstate’s Mark Kilmer who wrote Murtha brought up the possibility that General Peter Pace ordered “the massacre at Haditha.”

This is nowhere in the clip.

BS.

The main difference between our enemies and ourselves is that when our people are found guilty of wrongdoing they are punished.

Our enemy glorifies those who kill innocents as martyrs. Our side sees them as killers. If, and I mean if, these rumours turn out to be factual, a long stint at Leavenworth awaits those found guilty.

Murtha, however, is a political opportunist of the filthiest stripe. A shameless huckster in the final throes of BDS.

Fugazi, you are forgetting one thing when you call Murtha a political opportunist.

Bush has taken the 9-11 attack, and used it for political gain oh, lets say, a trillion times as much as anyone has used the U.S. occupation of Iraq, including Murtha, and all the rest combined.

I don’t even know where the line can be drawn between political gain, and pointing out DEADLY OVERWHELMING TRAGIC INCOMPETENCE.

To defend Bush, and call Murtha a political opportunist is like the pot calling the whole kettle industry black.

Without the fear factor, the only other thing Bush, and his gang of thieves could tout is failure. If you disagree, check our national debt the day Bush took office, and the prjected amount if he serves his full term (unlikely).

When it comes to martyrs, there are many different breeds, and no-one sane could defend anyone targeting women, and children.

As far as other targets are concerned, be careful who you call “innocent”. It is a big word, and who is to say who is entirely innocent, and who is not? Me, or you. What about people willing to kill thousands for political gain, and lie about the reasons why these innocent people had to die?

Were the “Good Germans” who supported the 3rd Reich innocent, or guilty? The children of Nagasaki? The people of Hiroshima? Be careful using the “innocent” word. That sword cuts many ways, and may cut your hand off if you are not careful.

Once again, the fuzzy-headed “rightwingers” in here don’t bother to actually practice what they preach, like seeking the truth. Harken up, ye neocons:

From the Marine Corps Times re General Hagee’s visit to Iraq following the investigation and allegations re the cold-blooded murders of roughly 23 civilians in Haditha:

“During these talks, Hagee will re-emphasize the training all Marines receive in the Law of Armed Conflict, the Geneva Conventions and the Rules of Engagement,” the statement said. “He will remind Marines that each of them has a duty to obey and issue lawful orders and apply only the necessary force required to accomplish the mission.”

Now, why do you suppose the general wanted to remind the troops of this? Is he just covering his ass or do you think there just might be a little problem with respect to civilians in Iraq? You probably don’t care.

Read General Hagees admonition here:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1826054.php

The fuzzy-headed “rightwingers” in here should try to focus on the truth for a change. They hate Murtha because they are the same patriots who believe in killing the messenger. You guys ought to thank Murtha for exposing you as sick citizens who care nothing for the Military Code of Honor.

You can contribute to the campaign of Diana Irey, Murtha’s congressional opponent in the upcoming elections, at the following link:

www.irey.com

Time to give this guy the boot.

You guys ought to thank Murtha for exposing you as sick citizens who care nothing for the Military Code of Honor.

Seems to me that Murtha has condemned these gusy without a trial.

And mean-spirited facist liberals love it.

Were Murtha’s “rumors” really rumors now that they’ve turned out to be true?

Mike M. on May 28, 2006 at 5:24 pm said:

Were Murtha’s “rumors” really rumors now that they’ve turned out to be true?

Since the investigation is still not completed, you lack credibility in making this statement, which is also why Murtha lacks credibility in making his statements. That’s why Bush haters like #5 are trying to prop up Murtha’s (lack of) credibility.

Stop condemning these marines before the investigation is over. It just highlights your open disdain for the military and the president.

Um, Ian – if Murtha is right, aren’t you the bastard?

LtntWolfe: Audie Murphy was the most decorated soldier during WW-II and to date the most decorated American soldier ever. I guess Sergeant York was a bum to you too? So based on Murtha’s attacks against Bush and our military and his alignment with your extreme liberal beliefs that makes him a hero? Sad! I will not tolerate attacks on his military record, but his record as the military spokesman for the Socialist (Democrat) Party does him no honor at all.

Mike M.: While there appears to be a great deal of mounting evidence of wrongdoing in Haditha – evidence is not proof! Remember, the other side hasn’t had a chance to tell their story yet. You are as bad as Murtha assuming absolute guilt before the judicial process has run its course.

Exposetheright said, “If you haven’t figured it out yet, Murtha has an inside track to the military. Most military are sickened by what happened and they want those who did those crimes or covered up those crimes exposed and punished.” (a) Whoever leaked this information to Murtha has violated their oath and they can hardly be called honorable people, they are not! If they believed this incident was being covered up, an honorable soldier would complain to his superiors and if he did not get the action he thought appropriate, he would resign and then complain. He should also have allowed the military a decent amount of time to deal with the case before assuming God Almighty anointed him to attack the military by giving secret information to those outside the military. (b) IF IF IF after the judicial process has run its course and IF IF IF guilt is established via the UCMJ and a Court Martial, then yes it is sickening and those committing and covering up a crime of this magnitude must be punished. (c) I don’t believe by any stretch of the imagination, because pf your many rantings here that you really think the military are mostly honorable men, it seems you are rejoicing too loudly over this incident for that to be true at all. Like a good liberal you had to say most of the military were honorable, hoping this would give weight to your attacks – it doesn’t!

Dan: I feel sad for you as you keep repeating the same liberal mantra over and over like you are in a hypnotic sleep walk; but not one charge against Bush you have ever made can be substantiated by objective documentary evidence. You seem like a nice guy, but honestly you have no credibility when you make reckless, partisan charges against the President.

WTF up with the “Ltnt” crap?

You learn that s**t from Dan Rather?

The Wolfe is in sheep’s clothing.

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This is just so bizarre to me.

He’s a vet for cripe’s sake! I’ve never understood why he’s going after our troops like this.

I seriously think he’s having some psychological problems in his old age…and I’m really not joking about that. He’s gone a bit nuts.

You right-wingers are nothing more than brownshirts. The investigation will concluded that the marines slaughtered these people and you bible-bangers will invoke 9/11, Bin-Laden, and everything else that has nothing to do with Iraq. Then they will (already have) say that it is really the fault of whoever leaked this atrocity.

Jesus was a homosexual.

So Murtha says “there is nobody done (sic) more for the troops than I have” yet he is playing judge and jury on these men, proclaiming guilt before charges are even levied; he said “We can’t win this war militarily;” he admitted he hadn’t himself “heard about” (with all his sources) the woman supposedly asking for mercy in English, and that the first time he did was when he read it in Time magazine (but he certainly takes it and runs with it as truth); he said we have to win the hearts and minds of the people (isn’t that the strategy Al Q uses when they’re not blowing up weddings?); and, he said he has it “from the highest level” that there was no interaction (meaning gunfire) from the houses, yet he also says the highest levels were the ones trying to hide this investigation and making the decision to pay the families (I assume he means, in an admission of guilt).

Sorry, Murtha, you can’t support the troops and not support the troops; proclaim we have to worry about the world’s view of this and then tell the world we made a mistake and can’t win the war; and most of all, call this an isolated incident but dredge it through the media calling it MURDER! Our soldiers in wartime should be the first to receive the “innocent until proven guilty” status that real murderers, child molesters and, God help us, even terrorists and their friends enjoy.

LtntWolfe: It is better to be silent and allow people to think you are a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Your frequent attacks on Christians and Christ are so vile that you have no credibility. Obviously, you are not interested in reasonable, civil debate; but you want to use every topic under the son as a means to attack people of faith.

Seriously, no one will take any of your arguments seriously when you behave in such a bizzare way!

TinyWolfe, despite your lovely sentiment and “The Da Vinci Code,” I kind of think sexual proclivity wasn’t on His agenda. But that’s just me.

This guy is nothing more than a fat bulldog on the Democrat’s leash.
He’s still in Congress, only because he comes from a strong Democratic area in Pa. and he gets next to no opposition at the polls.
When have you ever heard of him doing anything notable other than running his mouth as a know it all. If he cares so much about the military then why doesn’t he shut up and let justice run it’s course. He causes more trouble for the troops than anything, when he continually brings up these stories and pre-judges the outcome. What is he, some kind of soothsayer? No, just a big gas bag who delights in tooting his own horn about always visiting the troops in the hospitals. If one is to take him at his word about all the time he spends at the hospitals, he must be there 7 days a week. Doesn’t leave too much time to take care of his constituents from Johnstown, Pa., does it now?
Maybe he ought to resign from Congress and get a job as an orderly at Walter Reed. He could really do something to help the troops from that vantage point.

richard on May 28, 2006 at 8:08 pm said:

This guy is nothing more than a fat bulldog on the Democrat’s leash.
He’s still in Congress, only because he comes from a strong Democratic area in Pa. and he gets next to no opposition at the polls.
When have you ever heard of him doing anything notable other than running his mouth as a know it all. If he cares so much about the military then why doesn’t he shut up and let justice run it’s course. He causes more trouble for the troops than anything, when he continually brings up these stories and pre-judges the outcome. What is he, some kind of soothsayer? No, just a big gas bag who delights in tooting his own horn about always visiting the troops in the hospitals. If one is to take him at his word about all the time he spends at the hospitals, he must be there 7 days a week. Doesn’t leave too much time to take care of his constituents from Johnstown, Pa., does it now?
Maybe he ought to resign from Congress and get a job as an orderly at Walter Reed. He could really do something to help the troops from that vantage point.

He may have to…this administration has no problems sending out troops home in bodybags and missing limbs for a meaningless war.

LtntWolfe Said:
7:37 pm [ Quote ]

You right-wingers are nothing more than brownshirts. The investigation will concluded that the marines slaughtered these people and you bible-bangers will invoke 9/11, Bin-Laden, and everything else that has nothing to do with Iraq. Then they will (already have) say that it is really the fault of whoever leaked this atrocity.

Jesus was a homosexual.

Wow…all that hate. It’s amazing you can drag yourself through your daily routines with all that hate.
Jesus loves you and we pray for you nightly.

If we hadn’t gone to war, Iraq would be another training ground turning out more terrorists, and we would likely have had another 9-11. But you just go ahead and call it a meaningless war, as you sit safe and comfy in the blessed USA. There are a lot of crazy bad guys out there and America has to stand up to them. The liberal media and the loud-mouthed speak-first-overlook-a-retraciton-later Dems are only making things worse. Maybe if they really stood for our troops there wouldn’t be so many bodybags! The truth is, their anti-Bush crap gives ammunition to terrorists and they are more worried about bringing down his poll numbers than helping him win this war. I don’t give a hoot about poll numbers because I know the negative press plays a big part of it. I am damn proud of our soldiers and our President’s commitment to keep us safe from terrorists at home, and hope we get another cowboy in the White House in 2008!

eucher on May 28, 2006 at 8:23 pm said:

If we hadn’t gone to war, Iraq would be another training ground turning out more terrorists, and we would likely have had another 9-11. But you just go ahead and call it a meaningless war, as you sit safe and comfy in the blessed USA. There are a lot of crazy bad guys out there and America has to stand up to them. The liberal media and the loud-mouthed speak-first-overlook-a-retraciton-later Dems are only making things worse. Maybe if they really stood for our troops there wouldn’t be so many bodybags! The truth is, their anti-Bush crap gives ammunition to terrorists and they are more worried about bringing down his poll numbers than helping him win this war. I don’t give a hoot about poll numbers because I know the negative press plays a big part of it. I am damn proud of our soldiers and our President’s commitment to keep us safe from terrorists at home, and hope we get another cowboy in the White House in 2008!

Spoken like a true republican. Just keep on repeating that to yourself and it might come true. Bush has you scared out of your mind. Looks like Rove’s strategy to get his base out really did work – terrify them. But, here is my favorite part:
“If we hadn’t gone to war, Iraq would be another training ground turning out more terrorists, and we would likely have had another 9-11.”

Let’s see, before we went to war there weren’t too many terrorists from Iraq. Now, well…...ooooh, that one had to hurt. Ian, score that one as a slamdunk for me with the backboard breaking. That means that it was so powerful that this guy is completely shut down.

Murtha should be in detox. He has Soros’s you know what so far up his you know what he is singing MOON RIVER and liking it.

Im a vet and if I ever meet the guy I will ask him to step outside. I doubt he will take me up.
“and thats all i have to say about that”.

Kelly said
He’s a vet for cripe’s sake! I’ve never understood why he’s going after our troops like this.

You almost have the answer, but that little red guy with the horns is whispering in your ear…’just doesn’t make any sense…’
It makes perfect sense. Murtha (a right wing hawk that I don’t like personally)KNOWS what he is talking about, has been in that ditch in Vietnam….unlike yourself and 99% of the posters here. He loves those soldiers, visits the wounded at Walter Reed hospital, and he is pissed.
Regardless of how the neocons and Fox spin it, this is not a war, like the kind Murtha fought. This is an occupation of a soverign country. I don’t give a crap about your spin. Anyone who can spin this mess into a ‘declared war’ is either lying or ignorant. Period. Murtha knows this. He’s pissed that our military has to die for a dictatorial invasion by a boy-president.
And you, Kelly? You are a fascinating study. Since this common-sense thinking patriot does not go along with the insanity and lies that got us into Iraq, he MUST have ‘psychological problems’.
Good christ, listen to yourself. Is PARTY affiliation EVERYTHING? Apparently not to a guy like Murtha, who has been around the block so many more than all of his critics combined.
In these times of large government so willing to mow down and steamroll over ANYONE who is critical of the junta in residence, Murtha’s place in history will be that of a patriot hero.

If we hadn’t gone to war, Iraq would be another training ground turning out more terrorists,

It is precesely BECAUSE of the war that Iraq has become a training ground for terrorists. The only terrorists that Saddam openly hosted for training were several anti-Iranian groups based in Iraq. While Al-Qaeda probably had some operations in Iraq, those were not sanctioned by Saddam, whose regime is the exact opposite of what Al-Qaeda’s goals are.

There are a lot of crazy bad guys out there and America has to stand up to them. The liberal media and the loud-mouthed speak-first-overlook-a-retraciton-later Dems are only making things worse. Maybe if they really stood for our troops there wouldn’t be so many bodybags!

Yes, it’s the media’s fault that are strategy in Iraq is not working so well. Because, you know, it is the media that makes the post-war plans. Yeah, You’re so right.

The truth is, their anti-Bush crap gives ammunition to terrorists

Are you absolutely retarded? The Iraqi insurgents and foreign terrorists would be killing as many Americans in Iraq as they can regardless of what the media “says” about our President.

I am damn proud of our soldiers and our President’s commitment to keep us safe from terrorists at home, and hope we get another cowboy in the White House in 2008!

Lets look at this in the long term. The training grouns in Iraq have provided training for terrorists for the past 3+ years and many of those guys are and will be going to their home or other countries in the region to spread what they’ve learned. If you think that’s safety, than so be it. You can boast about any given number of terrorists killed or captured, but it is the foundation of the network that is the most dangerous – there will always be recruits willing to do Al-Qaeda’s bidding, but providing them with fertile training grouns and experts to teach them is something we explicitly owe to our invasion of Iraq.

Murtha is not going after troops. He is doing everything he can to bring honor to American military action.

What good is our claim that we are the good guys if we don’t back it up?

Wars need to be fought with a certain amount of honor and transparency. When that doesn’t happen, they at least must be fought with some sense of accountability.

Murtha is a fine human being, an excellent product of the American military, and a ballsy, principled politician.

Does anyone else notice that he only seems to like to see soldiers in the hospital? I rarely if ever hear him talking about visiting soldiers that would either punch him or walk away. But the poor men and women in the hospital can do neither.

And once again this garbage line of “no one has done more for the troops than I have.”

Good grief. Listen to this man, he is a disgrace and anything BUT “a fine human being, an excellent product of the American military, and a ballsy, principled politician.”

How you could call him “principled” I do not know. If you asked him to not talk about going to the hospital, he would have barely anything to say. I support my general argument by mentioning he did not go to support the family members and injured soldiers at a recent event on the National Mall. (1,000’s of people on scene) CJCS was there. Could it be because he would have had his ass chased down, that or receiving his award was more important?

Murtha did not blame Pace for the war crimes in Haditha. He simply said that the cover-up went well up the chain of command possibly as high as Pace.

You really should pay attention to the truth instead of making shit up. You posted links to the clip, what’s the matter with you?

The best thing that could happen for our war effort in Iraq is for Mr. Murtha to have a fatal heart attack tonight. The man is a shameless political hack. May he burn in hell.

There are many ways for Murtha, as an elected representative to have sought the truth in the Haditha incident and make sure there is no cover-up without: (a) Going to the media and speaking in public against the military at very opportunity. (b) Accusing the Marines involved of absolute guilt; and© making outrageous claims that General Pace or the Administration approved of their actions or that they are involved in a cover-up.

This is war without front lines and an easily identifiable enemy. Even the bravest soldier lives with fear at every sound being the potential source of the bullet that ends their life, fear at every mound of dirt as a possible IED, and fear that the next car is a bomb. Until we get the full story, not just investigative reports, we are in absolutely no position to judge what really happened in Haditha. Not even Murtha, as described by some liberals posting above, as the greatest American hero, is in any place to judge what really happened. So, when he tells the media that these Marines are absolutely guilty and he makes wild, unsubstantiated accusations about the involvement of others, he is doing a great disservice to our troops, their leaders and the American principle of assuming absolute innocence until and unless guilt is proven in a Court Martial, if a court martial is required.

I have seen battle up close as a Marine, I have faced many life and death crisis in and out of the Corps, and I have relatives (Marines)fighting in Iraq today; but none of that qualifies me to in the least to judge the guilt or innocence of these Marines and neither is Murtha qualified. If he really loved the Marine Corps, our military and our country he could raise the level of concern about the reported incident in an honorable way with a loud and repeated claim that he presumes they are innocent; but if love of country, the military and the Corps were his true feelings, then he would refrain from making absolute conclusions about the guilt or innocence of the accused, and making negative accusations about the Corps, the Commandant or our Commander-in-Chief.

None of the conservatives or Republicans posting here would want a crime covered up. No one wants to cast aspersions against Rep. Murtha or denigrate his military service. The difference between liberals and conservatives on this matter is that liberals don’t ‘appear,’ in this case, to care very much about the rights of the accused to the presumption of innocence or that one of their own is making other wild and reckless charges absent evidence of wrongdoing by the accused people in the chain of command. Why? Because many, not all, liberals ‘appear’ to have a passionate hatred of President Bush, the war in Iraq solely because Bush is the Commander-in-Chief and they ‘seem’ to me, by their anger, to hate our military. Those on the right posting here love their country, support their military and all they want is fair treatment and justice for everyone, even for members of the United States Marine Corps.

“Liberals” don’t care about the rights of the accused? Get off your soapbox, you idiot. You ever heard of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba?

Mike M: I apologize, liberals do care about the rights of militant,murderous, Islamic terrorists. It is the rights of the American military they hate. I stand corrected!

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, I have been there, have you? These people enjoy a quality of life far better than the Marines guarding them, and many times better than the average Muslims they willing kill so they can get 72 virgins in the afterlife.

Umm,

I agree with you on the issue that we need to let the investigation finish before starting to cast our stones. Innocent until proven guilty should be the law of the land, period.

Regarding this particular case, I highly doubt Murtha would speak about it if he did not have sources within the military telling him what he has told us. Of course I might be wrong, but if he is just making this up then he truly is making an ass out of himself and disrespecting the military. I just doubt he is that stupid to do that, however.

Regarding the conditions in Gtmo, I highly doubt that the prisoners are under better conditions than our soldiers guarding them – this isn’t true for any other prison in history. And regarding those deteainees, the vast majoriy haven’t been convicted of a crime in a court of law, so you shouldn’t be labeling them terrorists yet, just as nobody should be labeling the marines in the Haditha incident as child killers until the investigation is complete and they are brought to justice if found guilty.

Zim:
(a) You are right about calling them ‘terrorists,’ they are suspected terrorists captured in battle, and some are probably not guilty of actual terrorism. But, I agree with them being kept there and being processed slowly and carefully towards a trip home or military judicial disposition.
(b) The Reports of many Senators, Congressmen, journalists, some of my contacts and others say they are eating special meals above and beyond the quality of the Marines stationed there. They get top quality health and dental care, are able to worship All 5-times a day, live in clean cells and I would suggest that is much better than the average Muslim in Iraq today.

Umnumzana on May 28, 2006 at 10:51 pm said:

Mike M: I apologize, liberals do care about the rights of militant,murderous, Islamic terrorists. It is the rights of the American military they hate. I stand corrected!

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, I have been there, have you? These people enjoy a quality of life far better than the Marines guarding them, and many times better than the average Muslims they willing kill so they can get 72 virgins in the afterlife.

I really doubt you were a marine or have been to Guantanamo. If you were a marine, you would probably realize by now that most muslims don’t take that 72 virgins stuff (never mentioned in the Koran) seriously, as it is as preposterous as fairies with harps in Christianity. You might have even heard about the DOD data indicating that almost 90% of the prisoners were not caught doing anything related to terrorism – they were brought in by bounty hunters with no investigations, warrants, or even hunches as to them supporting terrorists. The bounty hunters got paid by the person so the more the merrier for them.

If they are there for reasons you claim they are, then give them a trial. Shouldn’t they have enough evidence? I thought you marines were supposed to defend the constitution?

Umnumzana on May 28, 2006 at 11:26 pm said:

Zim:
(a) You are right about calling them ‘terrorists,’ they are suspected terrorists captured in battle, and some are probably not guilty of actual terrorism. But, I agree with them being kept there and being processed slowly and carefully towards a trip home or military judicial disposition.
(b) The Reports of many Senators, Congressmen, journalists, some of my contacts and others say they are eating special meals above and beyond the quality of the Marines stationed there. They get top quality health and dental care, are able to worship All 5-times a day, live in clean cells and I would suggest that is much better than the average Muslim in Iraq today.

Proceed slowly? Is 4.5 years without any evidence produced or trial slow enough for you? Nailed you on that one!

Rep. Murtha is playing politics with the lives of our brave troops who are on the front lines in a war zone, and this is a disgrace.

Regardless of whether or not our troops have made a mistake , it is an outrage that Murtha and the liberal press cannot responsibly keep quiet for the sake of our country and our troops. This story will spread like wildfire in the Middle East and it only adds to the anger and hatred we are already facing with a real and irrational enemy.

The only reason Murtha is out there is to use this story to damage Bush and the White House. He doesn’t care about our troops or the war on terror.

War is hell. And the extreme pressure of being in a war zone, facing life and death on a daily basis requires quick judgement, and hopefully correct choices. I am sure meltdowns happen and mistakes are made.

But for the sake of our brave troops on the front lines let the military deal with it. Stop feeding the enemy’s hate,creating more pressure on our troops who have to face this hate…Murtha should be ashamed…who’s side is he on anyway? Isn’t terrible that I even have to ask that…

it is not wether murtha’s statements are true or not. it is that murtha’s statements proceed the conclusion of the military’s investigation.

conservatives on this issue presumes innocent until proven guilty, while the liberal on this issue presumes guilty until proven innocent, murtha included.

Umnumzana on May 28, 2006 at 11:26 pm said:

Zim:
(a) You are right about calling them ‘terrorists,’ they are suspected terrorists captured in battle, and some are probably not guilty of actual terrorism. But, I agree with them being kept there and being processed slowly and carefully towards a trip home or military judicial disposition.
(b) The Reports of many Senators, Congressmen, journalists, some of my contacts and others say they are eating special meals above and beyond the quality of the Marines stationed there. They get top quality health and dental care, are able to worship All 5-times a day, live in clean cells and I would suggest that is much better than the average Muslim in Iraq today.

I didn’t notice this before, but I am positive you are a liar and belong in the book “Stolen Valor.” Why even bring up the average Muslim in Iraq? If you have been to Guantanamo, shouldn’t you also know that there are no Iraqi prisoners there because even the U.S. government admits this is illegal? Ian, score that one as a swish from outside the paint for me, with my eyes closed and a jumbo dog in one hand.

Umnumzana

Anyone who reports a murder is not violating their oath. Their oath is to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States. You have an obligation in the military to report war crimes, (that is made very clear during your training) and killing innocent civilians are war crimes. Murtha is also on the defense sub committee. It is his duty to talk to the troops and it is their duty to tell him the truth. Anyone who reports war crimes is not a traitor, that is their duty. Soldiers are taught to report war crimes. And murder of unharmed civilians are clearly war crimes. You can white wash it all you want, but the simple fact is, a soldier is required to report war crimes. And they must report them to someone who is not responsable for them. And if the military wants to cover it up, the soldiers oath is not to their follow soldiers or even the President but to protect and defend the constitution. Maybe if some of you little boys were in the military you would know that. Some of you seem to spend more time trying to destroy his character then discuss the real issue at head.

Ack.

I wrote up a massive response, clicked “Submit”, and it didn’t post.

Great.

“If you were a marine, you would probably realize by now that most muslims don’t take that 72 virgins stuff (never mentioned in the Koran) seriously, as it is as preposterous as fairies with harps in Christianity.”

The problem is that the ones who do take it seriously are willing to kill at all costs. Actually the Koran states that it is your duty to invoke Jihad against the unbelievers. Convert to Islam, Pay the non-believer tax, or die.

“You might have even heard about the DOD data indicating that almost 90% of the prisoners were not caught doing anything related to terrorism – they were brought in by bounty hunters with no investigations, warrants, or even hunches as to them supporting terrorists. The bounty hunters got paid by the person so the more the merrier for them.”

They were brought in for unpaid parking tickets, failure to yield the right away, and stuff like that. I can’t find the DOD data, can you forward me the link on this, or is this just more of your bullshit.

“I really doubt you were a marine or have been to Guantanamo.”

Coming from a guy who calls himself LtntWolf, please tell me where you earned your Lieutenant ranking? Did you pull it out of a cracker jack box, mail away for it.

What’s funny about this is that it’s too little too late.

What they’re gonna throw out the new and democratically elected Iraqi government just because a handful of Marines might have committed murder?

Knowing your average liberal, they might – but thank God there’s more people with sense than that.

“Ian, score that one as a swish from outside the paint for me, with my eyes closed and a jumbo dog in one hand.”

How can you shoot with one hand on your “dog”, a “ball” in the other, and pat yourself on the back at the same time.

“shouldn’t you also know that there are no Iraqi prisoners there because even the U.S. government admits this is illegal?”

Umnumzana never said that, so please highlight the part that he mentioned Iraq prisoners in Gitmo.

liberal faggots

What is with your labeling Liberals as faggots, its pretty childish, but not as bad as Ltntwolfe and the whole Biblebanger…...blah…blah…blah.

Do you think that you are really taken serious here with your schtick?

A question for MacBeth, er, “LtntWolfe”:

What the f**k does “Ltnt” mean?

Poser.

At least get the abbreviation right.

“LT”

As in, “Where’s that damn Ell Tee?”

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It’s jealosy.

The liberals of today really want to have that blissed out cry of “MY LAI MY LAI MY LAI”

They want a villain to protest against, they don’t support the troops, they try to get them killed, as they did in VN.

Hey Ian,

Can you link to Ilario Pantano’s article at the Washington post?

Very interesting perspective from a formerly accused Marine.

My replies are not being posted. I’ll keep this one shorter so maybe it will work. The Ltnt doesn’t stand for Lieutenant.

If he wasn’t referencing Iraqi prisoners in Gitmo, why say they are being treated better than the average Muslim in Iraq? They aren’t from Iraq; it is irrelevant. It is like me saying a Basque-Eta prisoner in Spain is at least being treated better than a Muslim in Iraq.

Murtha speech is nothing but poison venom for our men and women in our armed forces and the WOT.

Clearly you can tell he’s lying through his ass by the portion of support he gives our finest men and women in the Armed Forces.

Murtha’s treason polices:

‘Cut and Run’

‘All the sacrifices made by the Coalition and Iraqis are a useless, a fuckin waste’

‘Men and Women of our Armed Forces all your heroic efforts and blood were wasted needlessly’

‘make a strategic pullback into fortress America’

*small problem with that little strategy though, his treasonous rat bastard fuck buddies in the Congress and on this thread are working furiously to gut our national defences 24/7/365 right here at home too.

and no one has any dirt on Murtha? i bet there is somewhere. being a vet too, he should know first hand that not every soldier can deal with battle well or the same as other soldiers. and he should know from the basic rules of chain of commands that you do not publicly or thru the media convict someone yourself, you leave that up to the courts. let alone how can he claim they did it in “cold blood”? was he there?

but that is just me thinking common sense again, which i still get scolded for from time to time by a few officers over me.

murtha needs to go. the only problem is, do the people who matter most in replacing him, his voters/disctrict, know how much of an unprofessional, prejudgemental backstabber he has become?

LtntWolfe on May 28, 2006 at 2:43 pm said:

November 2008 will have a Clinton/Murtha campaign winning with 53% of the vote. He is probably the greatest war hero that has ever lived.

That’s just insane. On what basis do you conclude that John Murtha is “the greatest war hero ever”?

You’re a nut. Not just because of this, because of all the other rank shit you say.

As for Congressman Murtha, he was measured throughout the entire interview. I hope he’s wrong about the incident.

Umnumzana (and everyone else): What is sad is that this is another case of liberals or ignoramuses not knowing jack about protocol, which is supposed to be followed at all levels and areas of the government, not just the military. It is even written that the proper channels for a complaint, of any kind, is your direct supervisor, then his supervisor, then his, then his, then his, all the way up to the Inspector General (or internal affairs or equivalent for civilians). And it does not stop there; you can also go to your congressman without technically breaking any rules or laws regarding the report of illegal or unethical activity, even the activity reported is classified. It is a simple rule and as long as you adhere to that protocol you ARE protected from any kind of reprisal.

Leaking to the press is nothing but gross negligence and incompetence and the leaker should be punished accordingly for their violation of UCMJ and other military laws as well. The same goes for whoever thinks a way to solving a problem or a possible constitutional violation in the CIA/DIA/FBI is to go strait to the press.

I dont’ want ignorant and incompetant people like that leading my country, playing with my military funding, and meddling with my and my friends’ military missions and lives.

Dan on May 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm said:

LtntWolfe Said:
7:37 pm [ Quote ]

You right-wingers are nothing more than brownshirts. The investigation will concluded that the marines slaughtered these people and you bible-bangers will invoke 9/11, Bin-Laden, and everything else that has nothing to do with Iraq. Then they will (already have) say that it is really the fault of whoever leaked this atrocity.

Jesus was a homosexual.

Wow…all that hate. It’s amazing you can drag yourself through your daily routines with all that hate.
Jesus loves you and we pray for you nightly.

Hey dude, get another name.

eucher on May 28, 2006 at 8:23 pm said:

If we hadn’t gone to war, Iraq would be another training ground turning out more terrorists, and we would likely have had another 9-11. But you just go ahead and call it a meaningless war, as you sit safe and comfy in the blessed USA. There are a lot of crazy bad guys out there and America has to stand up to them. The liberal media and the loud-mouthed speak-first-overlook-a-retraciton-later Dems are only making things worse. Maybe if they really stood for our troops there wouldn’t be so many bodybags! The truth is, their anti-Bush crap gives ammunition to terrorists and they are more worried about bringing down his poll numbers than helping him win this war. I don’t give a hoot about poll numbers because I know the negative press plays a big part of it. I am damn proud of our soldiers and our President’s commitment to keep us safe from terrorists at home, and hope we get another cowboy in the White House in 2008!

Is it just your opinion that Saddam was going to let Al Queda train, and plan attacks in his country, or do you have some sort of proof. Saying we “had to” invade Iraq because Saddam “was going to” do something is pretty lame. Especially with thousands of weapons inspectors lookng under every rock. You know, the weapons inspectors that Bush kicked out before the bombing began. You know the ones that said they needed more time to look for WMD’s because they too had not found any signs that there were any WMD’s in Iraq at that time. I got this information from a congressman, it is not speculation.

#32 John, you are correct. Murtha will be known as a hero for standing up to the Bush war machine.

It takes real courage to take on the confused patriots that blame him, and attack him, for telling the truth.

#33 You tell em Zim. The invasion has only made matters far, far worse, as far as building hatred for our country. This could not possibly be disputed.

#38 Umnumzana c’mon. Murtha is only saying what he believes to be the truth. Hitler was never convicted of a crime. Must we assume he was innocent, since a jury has not spoken? I don’t thing Murtha is lying for political gain. I won’t even mention other politicians who you know I think lie constantly for political gain.

#45 “Liberal Press” D.Nichols? Liberal press, where do you come up with this assumption that the “press” which is owned by large corporations is “liberal”? Oh I forgot Rush said the press was liberal so it must be true. I sure would like to see some research pointing out how liberal the press is, because everything I have read states exactly the opposite. As far as Murtha staying quiet, this story is in papers all around the world. Having an American Politician calling for an investigation may be helping our troops. Too bad I have not heard our president saying we would be investigating this incident, but I may have missed it.

#46 David. The press has already came to the conclustion it appears, and their statements are probably backed up by factual evidence. It would be irresponsible not to print this story, no matter how bad it looks. War is hell. Maybe if some people had to swallow the fact that atrocities like this happen they wouldn’t be so eager to wage it for “imaginary” reasons.

As for my opinion, I think Murtha would resign if it would mean this incident never happened.

As far as this cover up goes, they defacated on Pat Tillman’s grave by covering up his friendly fire death in the run up to the election. They lied to his family about his death. Can anyone defend this type of behavior?

Murtha is All over the map playing “Chicken Little”

Analyis of this interview shows Murtha’s initial hypothesis:

– -Murtha says we should never have went into IRAQ

Then comes the “evidence” and the emotional ploys to “bolster” Murtha’s hypothesis:

Murtha then pulls all hearsay, third party “evidence” about “atrocities” together and makes accusations. Murtha makes numerous emotional ploys about his visits with the troops, combined with his bragging about being great troop supporter in Congress, then back to calling troops cold blooded murderers….all over the map…this guy is just like a chicken with his head cut off…wind him up and watch him dance…Murtha is no longer credible…

LtntWolfe Said:
2:43 pm [ Quote ]

November 2008 will have a Clinton/Murtha campaign winning with 53% of the vote. He is probably the greatest war hero that has ever lived.

You are absolutely ridiculous.:P
Jesus loves you and we continue to pray for you.

Dan on May 29, 2006 at 3:59 am said:

Dan on May 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm said:

LtntWolfe Said:
7:37 pm [ Quote ]

You right-wingers are nothing more than brownshirts. The investigation will concluded that the marines slaughtered these people and you bible-bangers will invoke 9/11, Bin-Laden, and everything else that has nothing to do with Iraq. Then they will (already have) say that it is really the fault of whoever leaked this atrocity.

Jesus was a homosexual.

Wow…all that hate. It’s amazing you can drag yourself through your daily routines with all that hate.
Jesus loves you and we pray for you nightly.

Hey dude, get another name.

Not!

I don’t question John Murtha’s military service to our country and I believe the man wants the best for the United States. That said, the one thing I do question about Murtha is his judgment.

Here’s a very simple question I pose to you anti-Bush liberals:

How many of you who are defending Murtha’s most recent actions had ever HEARD of John Murtha prior to his newfound media fame and exposure that began last Fall?

I have to confess, I’ve paid a lot of attention to the news for the past 10 years and I had never even heard of John Murtha until he spoke out about Iraq late last year and gained a lot of media coverage as a result.

Liberals who had never heard of him prior to last Fall were mindlessly repeating Democratic talking points about how his judgment shouldn’t be questioned because of his military record and saw it as another opportunity to trash Bush.

I would bet the ranch that at least 75% of you Liberals who are defending his most recent actions on this thread had never heard of Murtha just one year ago.

You guys defending his public conviction of our Marines before an investigation is over suggests to me that you are supporting his position as a result of pure partisanship, not principle.

Regardless if there is a “D” or “R” next to their name, no elected official or member of Congress should be publicly convicting these Marines before the investigation has concluded. It’s even worse that a veteran would do such a thing because he’s served this country as well.

It appears to me that he has embraced his newfound popularity among the media and Liberals that he is using terrible judgment that he wouldn’t have dared to do in the past.

This seems obvious to me because he has gotten far more media exposure during the last 6 months than he had in the previous 10 – 15 years combined and perhaps he wants some recognition for his work in Congress now that his career is winding down to it’s last few years.

Dan on May 29, 2006 at 3:59 am said:

Dan on May 28, 2006 at 8:17 pm said:

LtntWolfe Said:
7:37 pm [ Quote ]

You right-wingers are nothing more than brownshirts. The investigation will concluded that the marines slaughtered these people and you bible-bangers will invoke 9/11, Bin-Laden, and everything else that has nothing to do with Iraq. Then they will (already have) say that it is really the fault of whoever leaked this atrocity.

Jesus was a homosexual.

Wow…all that hate. It’s amazing you can drag yourself through your daily routines with all that hate.
Jesus loves you and we pray for you nightly.

Hey dude, get another name.

You troll here daily spewing forth your dribble. You can go to DU or KOS and they will eat your sh*t right up and yet you continue to insult and/or irritate the hell out of a lot of people here. Nope, I think I will keep this name..it suits me well.

These marines are innocent until proven guilty. why is Murtha talking about it in public. Do damage Bush of course. He needs to keep his mouth shut. The military will do the right thing and if these marines are guilty they will be punished. Just like Abu Ghraib.
And to you idiots that keep calling Iraq a failure I have to ask Have you been there? Have you served there? I have two tours 18 months in Balad Iraq. I did not see any failures. I did see mass graves though with women and children with money still in their clothes.

I have little respect for Murtha, He is only fueling the fire with his propaganda and again I have to ask why? The truth will come out don’t need another leaker in our gov’t, who always turns out to be some democrat.

PS It is a military members duty to disobey an unlawful order

Hey fake Dan, if an honest assessment of the facts irritates you then though titties. One of the largest problems we have is the fact that there are few forums for people sharing opposing political views to communicate. They you have the idiots and freaks that only want to gay bash, call people names, and preach here.

I try to respect the opinion of people that are wrong about Bush’s true goals, wrong about the direction of our country, and wrong about what the Republican Party stands for today, compared to when I was a Republican.

I truly believe everything I type, and if someone can show me evidence that what I believe is wrong, then I will change my mind on the spot.

One more thing. I am not as partisan as you may think. If a Democrat is found to be committing crimes I will be at the front of the line asking for their indictment, and punishment. I just wonder how many of “you” would ask for a Republican to be prosecuted if evidence of his guilt is overwhelming?

What comes first justice, or party?

#68 Anaconda is right, not that it matters that much. Murtha it seems has always worked in the background and not sought national attention. His hawkishness has even put him at odds with some in his party I have been told. As far as credibility with our military leaders, I was led to believe there is no-one with more ties to the military commanders in the congress.

That is why there was such a furor when the pro-war hawk switched positions, and called for a change in direction to find ways to pull out troops out of harm’s way while still being able to back up the new Iraqi military. That is not the way the (sic) “liberal” media played it. They even took a vote in congress on the “Murtha” plan that was not the Murth Plan to try to discredit him.

He probably got tired of watching Bush’s team make mistake after mistake, and seeing our boys filling up the VA hospitals because of these mistakes Maybe he was hearing something needed done from those in command.

Just remember it is not just Murtha speaking out. Retired Generals usually don’t ask for the Secretary of Defense to step down, and they are doing so today. There is a problem with our leadership, whether you admit it or not.

Murtha is talking about what he’s been briefed on.

He specifically says he does not believe General Pace was involved.

He brings up this issue while attempting to defend the troops involved—pretty much saying they did it because they snapped.

He takes up for the DoD’s new military strategy that as soon as an atrocity occurs—the people responsible must be punished—openly and severely. The military’s theory is that such incidents, when covered up, are massive strategic weapons for the enemy.

Finally, the Commandant of the Marine Corps himself is in Iraq this Memorial Day weekend reaming new holes in the Chain of Command for the incident and the way it was handled.

Hopefully the people responsible for the incident—and for any coverup—will be locked up in Leavenworth for the honor of the Corps.

When you all discuss these generals who have spoken out against the war or Rumsfield you need to put it into proper perspective.Out of over 4,700 retired generals and admirals you have a very, very small handfull. To see this graphically:

http://www.brainshavings.com/mt/archives/001948.html

Dan (both of you): Here is proof of Saddam Terror Camps...of course you will probably completly argue against this ariticle because of who published it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,84291,00.html

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp

http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=11083

“….two defectors from Iraqi intelligence stated that they had worked for several years at the secret Iraqi government camp, which had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995. Training activities including simulated hijackings carried out in an airplane fuselage [said to be a Boeing 707] at the camp…”
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

It is a very ignorant (that is not an insult to you, just that you are either igorning the facts or refusing to look up and realize them) claim that there is absolutely zero evidence of ties b/t Saddam and Terrorism. Let’s also not forget about his rewards paid out to Palestinian family members of suicide bombers.

But I agree with you. Any cover-up is a serious crime, even if it is trying to cover up a true accident.

Apollo: military briefs do not conclude with their own conclusions or deductions let alone that “it was in cold blood”. Not even a JAG would end a brief that way, unless it was at the trial. Murtha was inserting his own conclusions, which is unethical and negligent as hell.

Here we go as well Dan:

http://www.tortlaw.com/images/Salman%20Pak%20terror%20facility.jpg

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200310210934.asp

Dont even try to complain that these are all “right wing news sites”. It is not my fault “left wing” news sites and blogs ignore facts that contradict their views and points.

Pride And Prejudice…

Obviously, the latest developments in the military investigation are fueled by chilling echoes of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, used to discredit our sacrifices in Vietnam. The anti-war mongers are perversely excited at the prospect of hitting anothe…

elguapo on May 29, 2006 at 1:18 pm said:

Here we go as well Dan:

http://www.tortlaw.com/images/Salman%20Pak%20terror%20facility.jpg

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200310210934.asp

Dont even try to complain that these are all “right wing news sites”. It is not my fault “left wing” news sites and blogs ignore facts that contradict their views and points.

Well, two of those links go to the exact same Stephen Hayes article, who is really a shill/propagandist. Salman Pak has been debunked over & over again, and Hayes made to look like a fool. But it’s not your fault for being decieved by this…right wing news sites ignore the facts and publish speculation as truth. I can’t refute the other two camp sites mentioned in the article because the information of them is so vague that it is impossible to to look them up!

Lots o stuff on Salman Pak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Pak_facility

elguapo, Please provide more proof. One article does not make a case. I would love it if more of the documents were made public. I fear very few of them would support Bush’s statements, or else they would already be public knowledge. Who knows. I am sure if they don’t have the right documents, someone will be able to forge some up though.

It is kinda funny how every time a forge document shows up, it is to discredit someone that is anti-war.

I will admit that if Saddam was playing a large role in training foreign jihadist terrorists on Iraq’s soil we would probably have to do something about it. I don’t know if war without the U.N.’s approval would be the right thing though. As far as supporting Palestinian suicide bombers, I know there are a lot of people here that have a problem with Israel’s building settlements in the West Bank, and treating the Palestinians like dogs.

By the way, how was Israel linked to the Christian Militia that slaughtered 180 innocent Palestinian women and children in the 80’s while the Israeli soldiers guarded the gates. Who was supporting terror on that day? It sure wasn’t Saddam. By the way, who went to prison for that massacre?

Saddam’s terror camps, give me a break. Fox news would have ran this on their programmin, not bury it in some online article for righty’s to sniff our and froth over.

Wake up people, I know it’s hard to come to terms with the fact that you have been lied to, but you have. Deal with it.

“elguapo, Please provide more proof. One article does not make a case. I would love it if more of the documents were made public. I fear very few of them would support Bush’s statements, or else they would already be public knowledge. Who knows.”

I believe that there are a lot of documents that are yet to be translated, but the ones that have been translated paint a different picture than what you are saying.

“I am sure if they don’t have the right documents, someone will be able to forge some up though.”

Are you kidding me, Forging docs is the business of the left. Dan Rather ring a bell. Who cares if your against the war, don’t peddle me with your fake but accurate shit. CBS runs a story right before the election which is obviously fake.

“It is kinda funny how every time a forge document shows up, it is to discredit someone that is anti-war.”

This is the stupidist thing I’ve ever read on this site, Either the docs are fake or they aren’t.

“As far as supporting Palestinian suicide bombers, I know there are a lot of people here that have a problem with Israel’s building settlements in the West Bank, and treating the Palestinians like dogs.”

To the victor goes the spoils, but maybe you can tell all of us why Arafat turned down a Peace deal that Clinton and Sharon brokered. Maybe they aren’t interested in peace after all. Arafat embezzels millions from his own people, in fact his wife is living in Paris, with all the bank codes.

hey Ian, where is my last post?

and for the record, all you war protesters, the protests of Vietnam did not bring peace to Vietnam. once we left it was overran and thousands more were killed as the communist north overran the south. and it is still an impoverished communist country some 30 years later. your heartful but ignorant outcries ended up hurting more than you wanted to help.

and the same will happen here if we leave Iraq too early.

elguapo: They also hurt many returning soldiers, treating them like scum, baby killers and unAmerican.

Umnumzana on May 29, 2006 at 7:41 pm said:

elguapo: They also hurt many returning soldiers, treating them like scum, baby killers and unAmerican.

That is a complete myth as well. For a guy who claims to have been at Gitmo, you sure don’t seem to have your historical facts straight.

OK. I had a long post, but it addressed almost every question that arose regarding my post #76, 77. And i am not even a liberal. What is the point debating online when your posts dont even get thru?

Long story short: why do we cry bloody murder about the way we treat our prisoners even though those mistreatments are few and not policy, why do we convict and protest about civilians killed inadvertatnly or with bad judgement (even though those are also few incidents and not policy) but yet no one, not even American human rights activists, will protest all the innocent muslims who die as a result of INTENTIONAL targetting and bombing and killing?

why is no one protesting agasint islam extremism when those tennis players in iraq just got killed because they were wearing shorts?

no wonder this war turned into another vietnam. we are protesting everything our troops (and myself) do when our enemy is 100X worse and more frequent, even having cruely as their policy.

You John Murtha types need to wake up and smell the diahrea you’re trying to shovel. It is doing nothing but hurting your country more than you think you are helping it. or is that what you want?

LtntWolfe

who are you addressing? i never said i was at club gitmo. and it was not a myth. i had many relatives fight, and thank God, return from Vietnam. all were yelled at and spat on, and called baby killers at the airports. and all of them still have a chip on their shoulders because of it, to this day.

Myth? what world do you live in? Canada?

elguapo I always copy any long posts I type. If it doesn’t post I can retry. So far so good. And yes my friends that served were mistreated, and many of us feel that it should never EVER happen again. Hell they were drafted! How many of them wanted to be dropped into a hot zone a very short number of days after getting a notice while flipping burgers stateside.

I think this time every single American knows who is at fault for the carnage in Iraq. Whether Liberal, or Con. It definitely is not the troops fault.

And that myth is living today with this war, thanks to John Murtha types claiming we are killing in cold blood, and others saying we are constantly torturing. standing in hte cold for hours as torture? F$%#ing Wah! this guy wants to cut my head off alive just because i am not muslim. and his leaders want the murder of all Americans, including you, because you are an infidel.

you want proof of troops being mistreated now? a UNLV student, who met up with some guys i work with just after they came back from Iraq, ended up getting into an arguement when she accused them of being tortuous baby killers, even though we are nothing more than a construction force.

myth? right. i cant even go home on leave without getting warned by bouncers before they let me in. “there better not be any trouble from you”. and i get called an extremist among other rediculous names because i believe in what we are doing, and se first hand how it can help if the ismalic extremists would just wake up and stop the hate.

we get more thanks overseas from the people we help than we get back here. but of course you guys never hear about that too. nor do you seem care. trust me, your misguided and ignorant protests are getting used as propaganda to help recriuting more jihadis.

elguapo on May 29, 2006 at 8:25 pm said:

LtntWolfe

who are you addressing? i never said i was at club gitmo. and it was not a myth. i had many relatives fight, and thank God, return from Vietnam. all were yelled at and spat on, and called baby killers at the airports. and all of them still have a chip on their shoulders because of it, to this day.

Myth? what world do you live in? Canada?

No, I live in America. It has been a pretty-well established fact for years now that the returning vets were not called baby-killers and spit on. I’ve seen conservatives mention this before on this same site as well. Just google it and you’ll find dozens of links. Here is one example from an extremist site:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1276799/posts

No Dan (the good Dan). I am sorry, these guys have me convinced that they reallly do think we are the bad guys, both here and over there. They have forgotten completely who attacked us first, and more than once, and who wants them dead so they can spread Islam.

oh, i was quoting umumumnzzu or whatever it is. But seriously, the image of the protestors spitting on vets is a myth….the vets spitting on Vietnam vets isn’t.

Sorry LtntWolfe

I am telling you first hand, from experience. It happens. maybe not as often as Vietnam, but it does. and it hurts and is confusing as hell. I am a vet of 2 branches. Navy and AF. I have encountered it everytime I go to my home state, and now here at my new duty station.

AND LtntWolfe … i was even approached by some “anti-americans” while in a nuetral country. these 2 guys basically used far left talking points i have heard on the news