May 22, 2006
Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) appeared on CBS’ The Early Show this morning, along with several others, to discuss winning the JFK “Profiles in Courage” award.
During the interview, Murtha went on an anti-War rant, to which The Early Show’s co-anchor Julie Chen said nodded in agreement and said “absolutely”:
MURTHA: And I said there’s not only no progress, it’s worse than it was pre-war. This thing has been mishandled so badly. The american people need to hear. We’re spending $450 billion on this war by the end of the year, $9 billion a month, and so we need to change course.JULIE CHEN, CBS: Absolutely…
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10:57 am [ Quote ]
Will somebody PLEASE hand me some duct tape so I can shut that Murtha up?
10:57 am [ Quote ]
Are you kidding me guys, this is totally Liberal Hate.
11:07 am [ Quote ]
AMY
Good attitude. Shut those people up who don’t agree with you. You should be working in the WH. What’s the matter? Can’t handle disagreement? Grow up.
11:13 am [ Quote ]
This guy Murtha is starting to sound like Reagan’s NSA director! File that one under liberal hate!
11:27 am [ Quote ]
but the media isn’t liberal its conservative…..right?
11:31 am [ Quote ]
owned by conservatives. If not giving this failed administration a reacharound, they are liberal.
Remember blaming the liberals is way easier than actually doing the right things for our great country.
11:38 am [ Quote ]
If we’re spending $9 billion a month on this war, how does that equal $450 billion this year, that Murtha first quoted without stopping to take a breath? Does this loon even think before he opens that big yap?
11:53 am [ Quote ]
Sorry Congressman, you are wrong. The actual cost for the war, in only dollars and cents will amount to almost 2 trillion, and only if we pull out today. I am of course counting long term care for our injured troops, and interest on the money we borrowed to fund this war.
Would you rather spend 2 trillion “taking out Saddam” or fighting the real terrorists Al Queda?
This war has been a disaster by every single measure, and is only getting worse.
Wake up and smell the BLOOD.
Saddam is no greater threat today, than he was before the invasion. This war was all about money, and power. You guys (and me too) bought it like it was beer. The difference is that when we found no WMD’s and found out we were lied to in the lead up to the war my opinion changed. I can admit I war wrong.
Can You?
11:54 am [ Quote ]
Oh, I see, if you do the math correctly, then the war was a good idea.
Got it.
11:55 am [ Quote ]
The best way to support the troops is to tell them the truth.
When are our lying leaders going to come clean?
11:58 am [ Quote ]
Looks like “Dan” is truly a lefty with out a brain. Hey Danny, why do you not get as angry at the Islamo Fascists shooting at our troops as you do at those who are trying to kill the enemy?? What’s up buddy???
12:04 pm [ Quote ]
If we’re spending $9 billion a month on this war, how does that equal $450 billion this year, that Murtha first quoted without stopping to take a breath? Does this loon even think before he opens that big yap?
Murtha said $450 by the end of this year ($450 since the beginning, $9 each additional month). But Dan is correct; the 2 trillion price is actually the real cost once everything is taken into account, and is considered a very conservative estimate.
12:59 pm [ Quote ]
Does anyone have a complete transcript of the congressman’s remarks?
12:59 pm [ Quote ]
Murth the Smurf is just grandstanding cuz it’s now politically correct to be a Demowhiner. Just a Demoloser but can’t handle it.
Gee, getting the “JFK Profiles in Courage” Award in Massachusetts is analogous Hollywood handing out Oscars…....they’re strokin and patting themselves for how wonderful they are.
Such a decorated hero certainly has heard of due process, being a hero of America. A complete disgrace for this man.
1:06 pm [ Quote ]
The only question to ask anti war people is who is your bigger hero Saddam or Hitler?
Everyone against the war thinks genocide is peachy. So Hitler must be their all time hero.
Remember what family started Profiles in Courage?
The Kennedys. Joseph P was a leading supporter and defender of Hitler and wanted us to side with him in WW2.
1:07 pm [ Quote ]
It really is sad to see a decorated Marine war veteran turn his back on the guys in the shit.
Hey, John, we have guys getting shot at. We have guys in a shooting war with islamo – facsist freaks who will stop at nothing to establish a new caliphate. Our side is winning, and in the right 100%. If our will and resolve hold, we cannot be defeated by these dirty nightshirt wearing rejects from the 8th century. They have contributed nothing to modern society. F*ck them and f*ck you, too Murtha.
1:07 pm [ Quote ]
#11 Ed Stanowicz, if it was only that simple. Some of the people are islamo fascists. The other 93% are people that want us to leave “their” country for a number of reasons.
I don’t condone “their” killing of innocent Iraqis, or “our” causing the death of innocent Iraqis by not providing adequate security after eliminating their leaders.
It is just not a good, and evil thing.
Every single death in Iraq has been from Bush’s lies, and is 100% our fault. This fact can not even be disputed by anyone rational. Saddam was no threat, and we did not invade Iraq because he had WMD’s. NO WMD’S! Get it?
Let it sink in. No WMD’s.
1:13 pm [ Quote ]
I like how the media is coming around when the war was “hip” and was a way to kiss up to a popular prez at the moment. Now their kissing up to discenters. Ha… where were they with the difficult questions back in 2003? Oh yeah… they were following the lead of Fox “News” because they were getting “advertisers” and and “high ratings”....
1:17 pm [ Quote ]
If it was Iraq that invaded America without a UN mandate would you be evil for shooting at Iraqi soldiers?
What do you expect the Iraqis to do? We are building mega bases, and won’t even mention when we will be “completely” out of their country.
I wish they weren’t blowing up our troops. If we weren’t there it wouldn’t be happening.
Put the blame where it belongs.
Bloodthirsty Powermad George Bush.
Israel’s greatest ally invades a muslim country. What do you expect them to do, kiss our feet?
1:36 pm [ Quote ]
dan Said:
#11 Ed Stanowicz, if it was only that simple. Some of the people are islamo fascists. The other 93% are people that want us to leave “their” country for a number of reasons.
As a father who’s son has returned from Iraq, I can unequivocally state that you are full of sh*t, and have no idea what you are talking about. Now I know you can’t take my son’s word as fact, since he was only there, in Iraq. You dan, are the obvious expert on these matters … right?. LOL
Please tell us oh wise sooth, just what are the number of reasons they want us to leave?
Blowhard know-nothing.
Why don’t you fabricate a few more facts about this war you know nothing about … except what you read from the mainstream media. Oh, and please, no quotes on polls taken of the troops on the ground … conducted by CNN or USA Today. They never leave their safe little hotel rooms to report the facts.
1:37 pm [ Quote ]
Jule Chen? Julie “Who”?, just another liberal-immigrant who doesn’t relly care what happen to this country, Chen-Chon-Chin go back to China!
1:47 pm [ Quote ]
1993 – 1st WTC attack (Clinton)
1996 – Khobar Towers – 19 dead (Clinton)
1998 – US Embassy Tanzania – 220 dead (Clinton)
1998 – US Embassy Kenya – 224 dead
2000 – USS Cole – 17 dead (Clinton)
1998 – Operation Infinite Reach – Clinton made a public announcement that we would retaliate. What a joker!
9/11 – Now we go after the perps of this crime, take the fight to them, try to remove a Hitler-like dictator who even Clinton thought was supporting Bin Laden, chase Al Qaeda all around Afghanistan who also treated their own people like dirt…..blah blah blah
Danny…..Clinton had very little regard for his own peoples safety and security and basically seemed to have left them out there to fend for themselves…...this is the mentality of the Dems….....a limp-wristed response to security for Americans….....and you have the pair to call us BLOODTHIRSTY….....IF YOU’RE MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS, YOU’D WANT TO PROTECT THEM, RIGHT? OR ARE YOU HAVING DOUBTS AND MIGHT BAIL OUT ON THEM TO SAVE YOUR OWN ASS?
1:56 pm [ Quote ]
Could Murtha be countering with his spin of the news when news comes out that Iraq is getting closer to establishing a
D E M O C R A C Y….....hear that Dems…....a DEMOCRACY.
That just might be a first for the people of that region and you never know, it might get them out of the 8th or 14th century…...
2:18 pm [ Quote ]
In her defence, she was probably was half-listening to him with the “absolutely” being more like an aknowledgement until she went to the next question. She probably does agree with him but in this case I think a benefit of the doubt is in order.
2:38 pm [ Quote ]
#20 fogw: You think I don’t know anyone that came back from Iraq? I met one Marine that believed in his mission so much that he stated we found tons of WMD’s. This mofo should have told Bush.
We were lied to before this war. No amount of “right wingnut opinion” will change this fact. Admit it. Our president lied us into war. The end justifies the means does not work.
I commend your son’s service, and will take his opinion into account. I have not talked to a single vet recently that thought invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Sorry. They do believe we need to complete the job now.
If I remember right Venezuela, Palestine, and Iran are democracies. Does this mean they will be friendly to America?
#23 and if there is anyone left alive USN6872 they may be able to vote for leaders probably more corrupt than ours.
What you, and Bush call democracy is Fascism.
Get an education. Read Greg Palast’s book Armed Madhouse.
#22 You keep getting your “thems” mixed up. We both agree we should be going after Al Queda. We invaded the only country in the Middle East besides Jordan, and Israel that Al Queda could not operate. Sorry to have to use logic on you.
As far as Clinton is concerned we both agree he could have done more to go after Al Queda dudes. Do you agree that Bush should have in the pre-911 days? Let’s see how honest you are.
Just remember all the Republicans were interested in was looking for used panties in Clinton’s drawers. Even Ken Starr said there was nothing to Whitewater. If the Republicans were helping defend America instead of attacking the Clinton Administration with every ounce of strength the had maybe he could have done more. Every time he took action your party was opposed if I remember right. Even when he did attack Al Queda.
Hypocrites
3:07 pm [ Quote ]
25dan Said:
#20 fogw: You think I don’t know anyone that came back from Iraq? I met one Marine that believed in his mission so much that he stated we found tons of WMD’s. This mofo should have told Bush.
Nice, calling the Marine you met a mofo. But I’m sure you support our troops …. right?
We were lied to before this war. No amount of “right wingnut opinion” will change this fact. Admit it. Our president lied us into war. The end justifies the means does not work.
Yeh, Bush lied, and Clinton lied, and the Europeans lied, and the UN lied … and one other little point you overlooked, the House and Senate voted to approve going to war.
I commend your son’s service, and will take his opinion into account. I have not talked to a single vet recently that thought invading Iraq was the right thing to do. Sorry. They do believe we need to complete the job now.
If I remember right Venezuela, Palestine, and Iran are democracies. Does this mean they will be friendly to America?
If you believe these countries are true democracies, your a numbskull.
Loved all your chatter, but what did any of it have to do with your post I commented on? You said 93% of Iraqis wanted us out, then go on about Marines that didn’t believe in the mission or thought invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do. I’m sure there are a number of them with doubts or who just would like to come home. Who wouldn’t?
That does not mean the Iraqi’s want us to leave .. as you categorically stated. How do you know this?
I’ll ask you again …..
Please tell us oh wise sooth, just what are the number of reasons they want us to leave?
3:08 pm [ Quote ]
It really is sad to see a decorated Marine war veteran turn his back on the guys in the shit.
Hey, John, we have guys getting shot at. We have guys in a shooting war with islamo – facsist freaks who will stop at nothing to establish a new caliphate. Our side is winning, and in the right 100%. If our will and resolve hold, we cannot be defeated by these dirty nightshirt wearing rejects from the 8th century. They have contributed nothing to modern society. F*ck them and f*ck you, too Murtha.
Well said!
3:18 pm [ Quote ]
DANNY…...you can keep Greg Palasts writings…..don’t think I’d enjoy reading conjecture and out of context reporting…....gee, even the great movie mogul Michael Moore has such a high regard for Palast….....I did get an education, by the way and along the way. The USN gave me an education the then a double major B.S. on the GI-bill.
Try not to be such a smart ass next time and also try not to sound like a selfrighteous, pompous ass who has little self-esteem for himself or the effort his countrymen are providing to protect you, your wife & kids from future attacks.
3:28 pm [ Quote ]
USN6872 I mean no disrespect. I am sorry for the education part. Just one thing though. Protect me from Saddam? I wish they would protect me from Al Queda and the thousand splinter groups that have emerged since 9-11.
There was not one single shred of verifiable evidence that Saddam posed any threat to America. There was only conjecture as to what he “might” do “someday”.
If we had to have “real” evidence before launching an invasion things would be different. Saddam would still be brutalizing his people, I admit. We could build a “real” coalition and tell the truth dealing with him, instead of lying to our people, our troops, and the world.
If you read the book you will learn hoe Jeb Bush hired Choicepoint to knock 300,000 legitimate minority voters off the voting rolls in Florida before the 2000 election.
Keeping blacks from voting is just fine with you right? Even black vets?
3:36 pm [ Quote ]
Would you rather spend 2 trillion “taking out Saddam” or fighting the real terrorists Al Queda?
How about both…considering the terrorist body count over there, our guys are doing a good job.
And I’m sure that you want Gitmo closed and those innocents released.
Right? Or is it bullshit, just like every single liberaloid argument anymore.
3:38 pm [ Quote ]
Dan: Please consider the following.
(1) Saddam absolutely had WMD’s, we know he used them on his own people, killing many thousands of Kurd’s and even Iranian’s.
(2) The United Nation’s passed many resolutions, mostly during Billy Jeff’s Administration; condemning Saddam for not cooperating in helping them find the WMD’s they knew he had built.
(3) Virtually every intelligence agency in the world reported that Saddam still had WMD’s just before we invaded, while we can debate the accuracy of those reports now, the world’s intelligence agencies at that time claimed Saddam had stockpiles of WMD’s.
(4) Saddam stonewalled U.N. inspections, giving every appearance to the world that he still had WMD’s until just before our invasion and was violating U.N. resolutions thereby.
(5) Since our invasion, a very credible Iraqi Air Force General said he participated in spiriting those WMD’s into Syria.
Based on all the above, absolute facts, had Bush not moved into Iraq and had those WMD’s still existed, he would have been impeached. All the available evidence, even if we believe it to be wrong now, which is not certain even to this day, was overwhelming. You can hardly blame Bush for believing what virtually every other world leader believed about Saddam and his stockpiles of WMD’s, even though few of them were willing to take action against Saddam. But, Bush and Blair knowing all the above about the WMD’s, and about Saddam having recently attacked Kuwait, made a conscious decision to enforce the U.N. Resolutions.
So, you may still oppose our going into Iraq, but it is asinine in the extreme, looking back at the time just before the invasion, to assert that Saddam had no WMD’s, that Bush absolutely knew he had no WMD’s, and that Bush lied. You would also have to say that Blair, Chirac, Schroeder, many other world leaders and even U.S. Congressmen and Senator’s looking at the same intelligence data lied. If you choose to believe Bush was an ignorant fool, then all those just listed, having made similar and sometime stronger claims, lied as well. Sorry, the charge that Bush lied is cannot be supported by the facts or any objective, documentary evidence. That is, unless you can produce evidence that Bush had intelligence data to the contrary, evidence clearly contradicting all the above; and then he knowingly said the WMD’s existed when he knew they did not.
It is okay to be partisan, that is the reality we live in today, and to dislike Bush and oppose the war; but it is unreasonable to suggest Bush consciously made a false statement about something he ‘knew’ not to be true, in order to deceive the country and the world. If you believe he embellished the facts, to gain support for the war, that is your subjective judgment and while you have the right to do so, it is hardly what I would expect of an honest and reasonable man.
3:40 pm [ Quote ]
Dan: By the way, I am an ex-Marine, as was my brother; and my Nephew and Grandson are Marines today, and so I don’t appreciate the MOFO comment. It was beneath you!
3:40 pm [ Quote ]
DANNY, DANNY, DANNY.
My point in # 22 was that with a Dem Pres and Congress, with those attacks, acts of aggression, identification of al Qaeda (acknowledged by Clinton), Bill Clinton & the Congress kept letting us get slapped around. Now, fer ur edification, these (I think it was FOGW above who said it) ISLAMO-FASCISTS will not respect us no matter what. ARE YOU WILL TO JUST STAND THERE AND LET SOMEONE KEEP SLAPPING YOU IN THE FACE AND DO NOTHING??? Bill Clinton did just that.
If you want to believe the ChoicePoint voting story, go ahead….....and no, I don’t approve of keeping anyone from voting…....you’re insinuation that I have a prejudice against blacks is asinine and cowardly.
3:41 pm [ Quote ]
The British Parliament also voted to invade. The evidence of the threats Saddam was believed to have was prepared by the joint intelligence chiefs of the UK agencies – and published. It was NOT prepared by Blair.
Every defence and intelligence agency in the world got the matter wrong – including the French and the Russians.
So it is a load of rubbish – a LIE - to say that people were lied to at the time.
At least here in the UK the official opposition hast not tried to do a somersault from its original beliefs and votes and started arguing that Blair was lying. Maybe we are lucky not to have an opposition as base and slippery as so many senior Democrats are.
And someone like Michael Moore or that fool Greg Palast might get an audience from the leftie BBC - but he would be torn to shreweds by much of the UK press.
Maybe that is why there are so many deluded Bush-haters in the US. So much of the US media is in lock-step – going so far as releasing security secrets if that is what they can use against Bush.
4:13 pm [ Quote ]
dumbcisco: I stand by my statement. We were lied to. Watch the video of the Downing Street Memo hearings held in the basement. The parliament may have voted for then invasion for far more reasons than just the threat of Saddam.
Remember Cheney’s “no doubt” statement?
Most of the Democrats here voted “NOT” to invade if I remember right. They were right.
The intelligence failure argument gets weaker by the moment. Just ask the head of the european CIA division. He just came out and stated he had proof that Saddam had no WMD’s and was flatly ignored, and told it was a matter of Regime Change, and not intelligence.
http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=526348
Does this mean he is a left wing moonbat? A top CIA official.
Some people want the truth to come out, instead of being the scapegoat for Bush’s war plans.
4:25 pm [ Quote ]
34 dumbcisco
Thanks for your comments but this is what we have to contend with our left-wing loonies.
If you saw “Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels”....it was like Tom talkin to Nick the Greek and not getting through with the 200 quid…....they’re a thievin’ bunch a bastards….....
5:12 pm [ Quote ]
First, Murtha says pull out. Then the House (including Murtha) votes overwhelmingly to NOT pull out. Now he’s saying “change course” without giving any specifics. What a flake.
5:25 pm [ Quote ]
#37 dmartin72266 That vote had nothing to do with the Murtha Plan. It was a trick to make people like you post comments like you did. You fell for it. While people are playing politics on both sides we have no plan, and our boys are dying.
Just remember the Iraqis can see the permanent bases being built, even if you can’t.
Murtha has a plan.
Bush doesn’t. Except for the $$$$ thing.
6:02 pm [ Quote ]
#37 dmartin72266 That vote had nothing to do with the Murtha Plan. It was a trick to make people like you post comments like you did. You fell for it. While people are playing politics on both sides we have no plan, and our boys are dying.
Just remember the Iraqis can see the permanent bases being built, even if you can’t.
Murtha has a plan.
Bush doesn’t. Except for the $$$$ thing.
Hell of a good trick too. We know now… the Dems are all talk. They want to make people like you believe they are on your side, but their not. When it comes down to a vote they are gutless.
Plan? Tell the enemy when we’re leaving? That’s the plan?
6:22 pm [ Quote ]
dmartin72266 and running the national debt up to 9 TRILLION means the Republicans are on my side?
The plan voted on was not the Murtha plan. They would have you believe it was though. Some people will believe anything. One thing is for sure. We are in debt 2 trillion because of this war, and Al Queda is stronger than ever. There are now an estimated 1,000 splinger groups loosely connected, or not connected at all acting independantly.
Thank you Republicans. You’re doing a helluva job!
Oh by the way, how is implementing the 9-11 commission reccomendations going? Oh I thought so.
Another F.
6:23 pm [ Quote ]
[...] On the same day Rep. Murtha is to receive the once prestigious John F. Kennedy*** Profiles in Courage Award, Gary Goss of Let Freedom Ring blog re-publishes an open letter from a fmr. Army paratrooper to the Pennsylvania lawmaker that is, shall we say, heart felt. [...]
6:35 pm [ Quote ]
She was not agreeing with him per se, just moving the interview along. Like sure, sure….
But,
Murtha is a true patriot.
8:46 pm [ Quote ]
dan: Remember JFK, a liberal god, at his inauguration spoke about us going anywhere and paying any price in defense of liberty and to help the oppressed, but You are hung up on the price tag for the war.
Let me ask you what the cost was post 9/11 for the clean-up, rebuilding, building up our domestic security and our intelligence apparatus and to care for the survivors. Now multiply that by several factors if Bush had not taken the fight to them, we are fighting them in Iraq as well, and if they had attacked us here at home again and again? Liberty is never free; it cost money and the blood of our warriors to keep us free. But, I assure you that if a Democrat was in control, we would have been attacked over and over again because they, like Billy Jeff, believe terrorism is only a law enforcement issue, and you should consider what that would have cost us.
With the huge increases into the national treasury due to the Bush -Republican tax cuts, as this effort winds down the deficit will quickly go away, that is unless the Democrats take control of Congress and/or the Executive Branch in which case they will absolutely raise our taxes. Then the gross dollars into the treasury will fall precipitously and we will be drowning in debt.
I am disappointed in you that you keep accusing Bush of lying. You cannot take isolated documents and build a case for lying. Remember, everyone has their own agenda and they could be lying or twisting the facts to achieve their political goals. Also, no I would not trust anyone from the European Union, because it was formed to make Europe a world power once again with greater economic and military power than the United States, and its leaders in France and Germany are enemies of the United States.
9:35 pm [ Quote ]
Being an ex-Marine and combat veteran, I am very concerned about this situation. I am concerned that in the name of political correctness and wanting to ‘appear’ to be a kinder and more gentle nation even in battle, we are causing our military to be timid in returning fire or attacking those who attack and kill our troops. This places them in greater danger, being afraid that in the heat of battle they might make a mistake and could be charged as a criminal. So, withholding fire more soldiers will be killed and it will be impossible to win any war.
War is not a game! If there was a crime in this incident, after a full investigation and trial, then those involved should be prosecuted. But, what does this do to the morale of our troops and how does it impact their ability to fight and not die? I fear we are emasculating (to deprive somebody or something of effectiveness, spirit, or force) our military to the point we will never be able to defend this country in the future.
12:01 am [ Quote ]
Dan, you should talk to vets other than Iraq Vetrans for Peace. On my husband’s first and second trips he said that he was proud of his service and good things were happening for those who wished to look for it. He’s over there now and working with the Iraqi Army and once again has nothing but good to say. Where do you get your “megabases” idea from==Cindy Sheehan?
Murtha’s comment did nothing for the morale of those over there. Of course I don’t think you could careless about their morale no matter what you say. There are no Marines that I know (and I live with 2 next to me, one across the street, and two behind me) who think Murtha is a well man. He is to be honored for his service but not for his blame of the Marines. If they did something wrong they’ll be prosecuted. However, assuming the worst is something that those who have never served and those who don’t respect the troops tend to do.
12:35 am [ Quote ]
The Conservative Media Strikes Again!...
The conservative media struck again yesterday morning when a supposedly unbiased co-anchor for The Early Show on CBS replied “Absolutely” after a Republican Congressman said the following:
And as I have said, we’re making so much progress in Iraq…
2:18 am [ Quote ]
#43 Umnumzana, how many times do you have to hear it. Al Queda was not in Iraq. The “them” you are referring to is far stronger because of our invasion. By any measure.
Saddam did not attack us on 9-11, and we have all our resources in Iraq trying to hold on by a shoestring while Al Queda, and all their new friends organize worldwide. We screwed up big time.
Umnumzana I respect your service, and know our troops are doing a great job. We owe them a lot, and will probably never be able to repay them for what they have accomplished, trying to make up for their failed leadership.
Just remember, someone has to speak out when something like this happens, or it looks like we applaud, or condone the senseless killing of civilians. Our boys don’t target civilians, and risk their lives limiting collateral damage we both know. Who is going to tell the world that killing civilians is wrong. I guess it had to be Murtha. I don’t see any Republicans doing it.
Now think about this. I hear over and over “at least Bush is doing something”. I can understand the logic and wish we had done more about Al Queda before he came to office. The problem is when practically everything he does is a mistake, doing “something” is only making matters worse. In this case far worse.
He should have listed to Powell. He should have listened to the generals, and told Rumsfeld to take a seat. He should have moved mountains to get the UN approval and stronger allies to supply the 400,000 troops we were short, if we had UN approval. We could have waited. They had no evidence the threat from Saddam was imminent.
We had been working on a plan to put Iraq back together after and invasion for 20 years, and it was ignored completely. It may be too late now. Let’s hope not. It would be devastating if all our troops, and the tens of thousands of Iraqis died for a failed mission.
8:39 am [ Quote ]
Al-Qaeda was not in Iraq???? You have GOT to be kidding!
www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49297
2:06 pm [ Quote ]
dan knows sweet fanny adams about UK politics.
There was agreement between the UK intelligence agencies that saddam posed a WMD threat. The Joint Intelligence Committee report was published at the time. Four Parliamentary enquiries, a judicial enquiry by Lord Hutton and then the enquiry held by Lord Butler found that Blair did NOT alter what the JIC intelligence chiefs had said. The BBC had argued there was political pressure – and in the end to atone for this serious error the BBC Chairman and CEO resigned.
The matter is crystal clear. Intelligence agencies worldwide got it wrong. But Blair and Bush were NOT LYING. They believed qwhat their intelligence advisors were telling them.
Claims that they were lying is itself the real lie. It is people like dan who are lying. Lying through their teeth, lying to traduce their own country.
2:20 pm [ Quote ]
Hello: God bless you and your husband! Liberty is costly, armchair quarterbacking like Dan’s and Murtha cost nothing!
dumbcisco: You have made some excellent posts on this issue, thank you so much!
Dan: It is against everything this country stands for when anyone, even a former Marine, judges guilt before all the evidence is in and if required the judicial process runs its course. That is what Murtha and a lot of liberals are guilty of doing.
The initial investigation indicated that after an IED was exploded and fellow Marines were killed, in the follow-up firefight, innocent civilians were killed. That happens in war, war is not a game of marbles. But, the Colonel and two other officers were fired and a second investigation has been completed. Even if that investigation contradicts the first one, it would only be accusations, not proof of guilt. Guilt or innocence is determined in the judicial process.
2:28 pm [ Quote ]
My question to any lib who believes everyone was lied to is this. . .
How can sooooo many top ranking officials, leaders and figure heads come to the SAME CONCLUSION based on the intel? Prior leaders have been quoted time after time saying exactly the same thing Bush and everyone else said. The only difference is now Dems are not in power and it is killing them that they do not have control.
Besides, graves have been found in Iraq with thousands of bodies basically proving genocide on his OWN PEOPLE took place. I will acknowledge your point on Saddam not being an immediate threat to the US. HOWEVER . . . HE WAS A THREAT TO HIS OWN PEOPLE. . .
Using that LOGIC, where would it stop?
He refused to allow inspectors into the facilities for inspection. He kicked them out time and time again. He basically showed the world AGAIN that he was not a trustworthy person. He was a dictator with an agenda for power through fear mongering.
Remember Hitler?
How can you justify allowing a leader with that mentality to stay in power knowing what he is capable of doing without remorse?
Not to mention there is now documented evidence that a plan was being devised to stike the US.
Immediate Threat – No. . .
Imminent Threat – YES ! ! !
The very same LOGIC applies to Iran as well. It’s only a matter of time. He refuses to WORK WITH other nations in the world. He only wants to mock the world in defiance because of a secret agenda.
And before you go off half cocked about proof – Anyone refusing to play by the rules and is out-right defiant, HAS AN ALTERIOR MOTIVE (hence a secret agenda)! ! !
Remember his statement “Wiped Off The Map”?
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#48 Of course the Taliban talked to Saddam’s people. So did we. This does not prove that Al Queda was using Iraq as a staging area as was happening in Afghanistan.
Read the caveat. “The U.S. Government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available.”
#49 I never said intelligence agencies did not think Saddam had WMD’s. What I said is they did not have any proof. We went to war without rock solid evidence.
I thought Saddam had WMD’s, and I belive Bush thought so too. The problem is the Bushies said there was no doubt, and I have read scores of reports, and quotes that there were not only doubts in the CIA, but direct evidence that Saddam did not have WMD’s. This was never told to the American People. Sorry Charlie. Bush did not say “We think Saddam has WMD’s” he said “Saddam has WMD’s”. The difference between truth and lies.
Watch the CNN show on what really happened. The CIA did not go to Bush and say Saddam was an imminent threat. Bush went to the CIA and asked for “evidence” he could use to build his case for war. Period. When no “proof” emerged they had to “fix” whatever they had. Not one single part of Powells presentation to the UN turned out to be true. That is “fixing”.
#50 I am for honesty which is above all what this country stands for. I am tired of being lied to. As for Murtha, he can make 1 phone call and find out what really happened. Hopefully they won’t do a Pat Tillman coverup on this one too.
#51 If I remember correctly Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors because they were spying on him. If it is true then he had the right to kick them out.
AS far as the bodies in the mass graves, Saddam was filling these graves while, and before Rumsfeld was shaking his hand. Do a timeline. I am no Saddam fan either. Just remember who helped him acquire his original WMD’s.
Saddam is evil for using chemical weapons, but it is ok for us to help him get them? Funny how that works.
As far as the documented evidence, noone in our government is standing behind it’s authenticity. So much for documented.
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dan,dan,dan..Just because there is a caveat does not mean they are not authentic, but you want to go ahead a make a blanket statement that al-Qaeda was 100% not in Iraq prior to 9/11…President Bush himself gave the approval to have these documents made public,the lazy media have barely given them the time of day. Congressman Peter Hoekstra,chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and Senator Rick Santorum have also been pushing for the release of the documents. Several have been authenticated by the U.S. intelligence community. www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=2205
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A slight error in the link I provided…Try this one: www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22055
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no dan, stop wriggling. You argue that Bush and Blair lied. They did NOT lie. They were in the fair belief, based on what their intelligence agencies were saying, that there was a WMD threat.
Intelligence agencies worldwide had the same view.
In any event, the case Bush made for invading Iraq, the case most Senators voted for, went far wider than WMD.
So your lies about Bush and Blair lying miss most of the point anyway.
And I will say again – you know damn all about British politics and you are talking claptrap about how the Brits reached their decision to stand by their main ally. The ally that had protected the whole of Europe for 50 years against the threat of communist dictatorship domination. This time the threat is from rabid Islamists and rogue dictatorships like Saddam’s. The fact that you can’t see the threat is immaterial – you are blinded by hatred of Bush so the facts of the matter don’t count unless they are Michael-Moore style “facts”. That is – lies and anti-US spin.
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Damn, Liberal Media!
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Damn, Liberal Media!