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3:43 pm [ Quote ]
“CALL IT A BANANA”...
Windbag John McCain attempts to defend his amnesty sham: The Senate labored to complete work by next week on immigration legislation that generally follows an outline Bush set out in a nationally televised speech this week. The measure includes provisi…
3:50 pm [ Quote ]
Senate OKs Border Fence…
Via AP
The Senate voted to build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday and clashed over citizenship for millions of men and women who live in the United States illegally.
Amid increasingly emotional debate over elec…
3:51 pm [ Quote ]
I liked Mccain better when he was calling Jerry Falwell an agent of intollerance.
Too bad Bush used cheap shots on him in 2000.
3:53 pm [ Quote ]
We’re weary too, Senator McCain. We’re weary of having to put the screws to you and your party while you ignored the borders for five years. We’re weary that the last promise of border enforcement back in 86 was a ploy to get amnesty.
3:53 pm [ Quote ]
We’re weary too, Senator McCain. We’re weary of having to put the screws to you and your party while you ignored the borders for five years. We’re weary that the last promise of border enforcement back in 86 was a ploy to get amnesty.
4:20 pm [ Quote ]
In one breath McCain claims deportation is too cruel an action and then in the next breath says that “illegals here less than 5 years will have to go back”.
You can bet most of those “less than 5 years” illegals will have cute chilren, elderly parents, good work habits, etc, and the apologists will denounce deportation as too cruel in those cases as well.
And when future illegals come here to work at lower wages than what those granted amensty earn…the apologists will again say “deportation is too severe”.
4:35 pm [ Quote ]
John McCain is a con artist. He must think we are all stupid.
He took a solemn oath to defend the constitution instead he is promoting Amnesty for between 100-200 million Illegals over the next 20 years.
Where does the constitution say that the Senate is the Employment Agency for third world cesspools like Mexico.
John McCain is a Traitor and should be removed from office so he can go pick lettuce.
4:52 pm [ Quote ]
I’m tired too. I’ve had it with these Republicans trying to tell us that we’re wrong. They are liars and they know that this is a free pass for these people. This has been done before and each time it does not work. FOLLOW THE LAWS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE
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I don’t want to have to pay for the extra government workers that will be required to make these people legal. You just continue to rape the American Middle Class Senator McCain!
John McCain says that we only have 2 options…either keep the status quo or deport.
How about the most obvious option…enforce the current laws and start going after the employers so that many of these people will go back on their own.
Most of the illegals don’t really want to be Americans they just want to take advantage of the the welfare state here, make money to send back to their home Countries, and impose their culture on the rest of us.
I’ve heard how much lettuce and strawberries will cost if these people aren’t here. How about listing the tax savings if we don’t have to pay for their kids schools, free hospital care, jails etc. How much extra money will we have?
I’m sick of the hypocrisies of the politicians. IMPEACH McCain
5:14 pm [ Quote ]
I’m tired too. I’ve had it with these Republicans trying to tell us that we’re wrong. They are liars and they know that this is a free pass for these people. This has been done before and each time it does not work. FOLLOW THE LAWS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE
I’m sorry Maria. I agree with most of what you said except this quote. Do you mean the Democrats like Collins, Snow, Spector and Chaffee who pose as Republicans?
5:42 pm [ Quote ]
Nothing has been done about immigration for 5 years. It is no more a crisis now than when Bush was over 50%, or 40%, or 30% approval. The Republicans are just playing this card to take our attention away from spying, lying, outing, corruption, and all their other crimes, and acts of TREASON.
All the time they are cutting taxes, and the cuts help the super rich far more than ME OR YOU.
Bread and circus.
And you are falling for it.
5:50 pm [ Quote ]
Here is something to think about for a moment. . .
I have a friend who is having a retaining wall built on her place. I talk at length with her about the company she is using to build the retaining wall. The company hired to build it has 11 LEGALS working for them. The company has to pay $3000 per worker to maintain the status for them to continue to work.
The owner told my friend, at one point 7 of his workers had to go back to Mexico for 2 months per immigration rules (I am not sure why that is but. . .). He then went and paid the money again for all the documentation to be completed and processed for those who were sent back. All of them were denied. That fee he paid is now gone and if he wants to bring them back, he has to do it all over again – including pay the $3000 per worker.
One thing he told my friend was in regards to the pay. If he has an illegal working for him, he would only pay them 7 dollars an hour. If he has a legal working for him. he would pay them over 20 dollars an hour.
Now. . . With this money situation at hand, the increase in wages will be passed on to the consumer via higher prices charged. I believe this is partly where the problem to our society lays. In my book this can be categorized under “inflation”.
Just some food for thought.
5:52 pm [ Quote ]
Well done Dan! You’re back! Back with the same lame liberal complaints I’ve noticed you always have on this sight (the rich get richer, Bush lied etc. etc.) I must admit you are entertaining. Write back when you get back from class. You know the one your parents are paying for.
6:25 pm [ Quote ]
From Answers.com
Legal Encyclopedia
Amnesty
The action of a government by which all persons or certain groups of persons who have committed a criminal offense—usually of a political nature that threatens the sovereignty of the government (such as sedition or treason)—are granted immunity from prosecution.
Amnesty allows the government of a nation or state to “forget” criminal acts, usually before prosecution has occurred. Amnesty has traditionally been used as a political tool of compromise and reunion following a war. An act of amnesty is generally granted to a group of people who have committed crimes against the state, such as treason, rebellion, or desertion from the military. The first amnesty in U.S. history was offered by President George Washington, in 1795, to participants in the Whiskey Rebellion, a series of riots caused by an unpopular excise tax on liquor; a conditional amnesty, it allowed the U.S. government to forget the crimes of those involved, in exchange for their signatures on an oath of loyalty to the United States. Other significant amnesties in U.S. history were granted on account of the Civil and Vietnam Wars.
Because there is no specific legislative or constitutional mention of amnesty, its nature is somewhat ambiguous. Its legal justification is drawn from Article 2, Section 2, of the Constitution, which states, “The President … shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Because of their common basis, the difference between amnesty and pardon has been particularly vexing. In theory, an amnesty is granted before prosecution takes place, and a pardon after. However, even this basic distinction is blurry—President Gerald R. Ford, for example, granted a pardon to President Richard M. Nixon before Nixon was charged with any crime. Courts have allowed the two terms to be used interchangeably.
The earliest examples of amnesty are in Greek and Roman law. The best documented case of amnesty in the ancient world occurred in 403 b.c. A long-term civil war in Athens was ended after a group dedicated to reuniting the city took over the government and arranged a general political amnesty. Effected by loyalty oaths taken by all Athenians, and only later made into law, the amnesty proclaimed the acts of both warring factions officially forgotten.
In other nations in which amnesties are accepted parts of the governing process, the power to grant amnesty sometimes lies with legislative bodies. In the United States, granting amnesties is primarily a power of the executive branch, though on some occasions Congress may also initiate amnesties as part of legislation. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (100 Stat. 3359, 8 U.S.C.A. § 1101) attempted to reduce the number of aliens illegally entering the United States by punishing employers who knowingly hired them. However, because of concerns voiced by both employers and immigrant community leaders, the act compromised: it contained provisions for an amnesty giving citizenship to illegal immigrants who had been residents for a set period of time.
Though the Supreme Court has given the opinion that Congress can grant an independent amnesty, it has never expressly ruled on the issue. However, the president’s power to grant amnesty autonomously has never been in serious question. The president always has recourse to the pardoning powers granted the office by the Constitution.
During the Civil War period, President Abraham Lincoln offered a series of amnesties without congressional assent to Union deserters, on the condition that they willingly rejoin their regiments. After the war, Lincoln issued a proclamation of amnesty for those who had participated in the rebellion. Though Congress protested the leniency of the plan, it was helpless to alter or halt it. Lincoln’s amnesty was limited, requiring a loyalty oath and excluding high-ranking Confederate officers and political leaders. Lincoln hinted at but never offered a broader amnesty. It was not until President Andrew Johnson’s Christmas amnesty proclamation of 1868 that an unconditional amnesty was granted to all participants in the Civil War. Amnesty used in this way fosters reconciliation—in this case, by fully relinquishing the Union’s criminal complaints against those participating in the rebellion.
Amnesty was used for a similar purpose at the conclusion of the Vietnam War. In 1974, President Ford attempted reconciliation by declaring a conditional amnesty for those who had evaded the draft or deserted the armed forces. The terms of the amnesty required two years of public service (the length of a draft term), and gave evaders and deserters only five months to return to the fold. Many of those whom the amnesty was designed to benefit were dissatisfied, viewing the required service as punishment. On the other hand, many U.S. citizens agreed with President Nixon that any amnesty was out of the question. It was left to President Jimmy Carter, in 1977, to issue a broad amnesty to draft evaders. Carter argued the distinction that their crimes were forgotten, not forgiven. This qualification makes clear the purpose of an amnesty: not to erase a criminal act, nor to condone or forgive it, but simply to facilitate political reconciliation.
Though an amnesty can be broad or narrow, covering one person or many, and can be seriously qualified (as long as the conditions are not unconstitutional), it cannot grant a license to commit future crimes. Nor can it forgive crimes not yet committed.
See: Civil War; Vietnam War; Whiskey Rebellion.
6:31 pm [ Quote ]
[...] In today’s debate about the amnesty plan, McCain says he’s “growing a little weary” of people calling it amnesty and had some harsh words. Ian at Expose the Left has the video of his rant. I’m growing a little weary of people who are selling American citizenship for a lousy two grand and acting like that’s a good thing. As for the back taxes; please! Do you think illegal immigrants earn enough to have to pay taxes? I can tell you what’s going to happen – they’ll file (not PAY) their back taxes, receive the earned income credit, and use that to buy their amnesty. [...]
6:34 pm [ Quote ]
John McCain is no more a Republican than Hillary is a moderate. Meanings of words change through the years because of circumstances, usage, and culture. I don’t agree with President Bush either! So saying that Bush isn’t for amnesty doesn’t make it so and Bush didn’t say it better. We won’t have to deport anybody if they know that they have to go back where they came from. Let all the illegal aliens to go back home and make their own country a better place.
7:16 pm [ Quote ]
The obvious tactic is, get the photos of these Senators and reps pushing this nonsense, put “TRAITOR” in thick , bold letters at the bottom, and start circulating them around the net.
7:44 pm [ Quote ]
What is all the moral posturing about?
It is rather silly I think.
The Mexicans who are coming into the country are just crossing a boarder that the US established by force, theft, and other criminal acts only a very short time ago. Have any of you thought about why San Diego, Los Angles, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, and many other towns, villages, mountain ranges, rivers, lakes and valleys have Spanish names? Its is because we STOLE THEM from Spanish speaking people (Who, by the way, STOLE THEM from Indians who had lived there for thousands of years.)!
Why don’t you just put you hoods back on and admit you are racist bigots? At least that would be honest.
I suspect that most of you who are jabbering about “enforcing the law” are guilty of many things that would land you in the slammer if the heat knew about them.
8:47 pm [ Quote ]
Yeah, thats it Jim, and the Indians stole it from the Polynesians who stole it from the Atlanteans who stole it from the Lizard Men of Greater Antiquity.
If they Mexicans stole the land from Indians, then by all means shouldnt we be denying the Mexican claims with even greater force? You just defeated your own argument….this isnt Mexican land.
If there is anyone here who should be fearing the law, its you. Crazy people need to be locked up to protect the public.
8:51 pm [ Quote ]
Yes!! Radical Jim. Probably another righteous college student. You tell’em! We should just give EVERYTHING back to everyone especially the indians who we STOLE this land from. I hope your ancestors came from a nice place that you can GO BACK TO! DUMBASS. Talk about taking things to the extreme! Jeez.
9:11 pm [ Quote ]
I believe that would mean that everyone must give everything back to the Africans, since human life originated there.
I would expect the Africans probably wont want Anarctica, so the rest of us can gather there and start up a new society. Wont it be fun?
9:36 pm [ Quote ]
Senator McCain: If you are considering running for President in 2008 – save your money, don’t bother!
Yes, I have compassion for those less fortunate…but if this country lets in 70-100 million poor people in the next 20 years (as projected from some of the proposed bills)...we will BE those less fortunate people. You claim we can’t send them back now because they have homes and family here. Well, after working six years on Bush’s proposed guest worker program, they will also have homes and families here…the proposal is that then they must leave…but that’s not gonna happen. Stop the BS and represent the citizens of the U.S., not Mexico!
9:37 pm [ Quote ]
Jim – perhaps you’d like to put down your personally-autographed and numbered Time-Life commemorative edition of The Little Red Book Of Chairman Mao’s Thought long enough to digest some real history.
We won the Southwest from Mexico fair and square on the field of battle. The Mexicans had the opportunity to defend it and did not succeed. We also compensated them financially in the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo. But then if you went to a government school, you probably learned more about diversity than you did about history.
If you feel so guilty about our history, perhaps (if you’re of European ancestry) you could exemplify voluntary personal commitment to your ideals by moving to the European country of your choice.
11:30 pm [ Quote ]
Jim (asshat),
I am sorry that you think most Americans are bigoted KKK types. Truthfully, I am not sure how you continue to stand living, based upon your unbelievable comments of your countrymen. Maybe you should put your head in a plastic bag and finish yourself off so that you can no longer plauge the world and we won’t have to suffer your ignorant comments of pure hatred.
Thanks,
Tony (Mexican American, Gulf Vet (1991 variety), and extremely patriotic AMERICAN. Pro Christo et Patria (Latin to English = For Christ and Country)
1:27 am [ Quote ]
“Bananas” McCain.
You heard it here first.
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1:29 am [ Quote ]
Tony (Mexican American, Gulf Vet (1991 variety), and extremely patriotic AMERICAN. Pro Christo et Patria (Latin to English = For Christ and Country)
Thank you and God Bless You for serving, Tony.
(Us older Viet era vets didn’t get to hear that. Never again. Not while I’m alive. I do remember the dirty hippy asshats spitting on my uniform in Frisco, though. I suddenly understood why they had me turn in my black rifle before we got back home. )
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3:23 am [ Quote ]
Radical Jim,
You just showed how little you know about history. The names San Diego, San Francisco, Santa Barbara, Los Angeles and so on where given by Spanish Missions, when SPAIN, not MEXICO, where in control of the land while they where opresing the Native Americans who lived in those lands back then. There where NO MEXICANS at the time. Mexico only had control of those lands for only 22 years, which they took from Spain after their revolution with Spain.
As far as the KKK goes, There are all kinds of races and creeds against the illigal immigration issue. This is not a KKK movement. I myself, I am hispanic and talk Spanish fluently. YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME! If you really knew what you are talking about, you would have found out that the people controlling the Pro Illegal Alien Movement come from groups such as M.E.Ch.A, La Raza, The Mexica Movement, MALDEF and LULAC. These groups believe in the concept of the reconquista in order to take the southwest and create their own nation called Atzlan and then anex it to Mexico. Those groups are the equivalent of the KKK with a tan. Actually, they are even worse than Hitler himself, since in their charter they have a declaration of ethnic cleansing and genocide, to remove all white, black and other ethnic groups that are not of La Raza. Only people with the proper “La Raza” credentials will be allowed in their dreamland. That means that you Jim, unless you are of la raza, will be targeted for extermination. After all their motto is “Para la raza todo. Fuera de la raza nada”. In case yo don’t talk Spanish, the translation means, “For the race everything. Outside of the race nothing”. That my friend is RACIST! Hitler would be proud of them.
So Jim, Before you open up your mouth again. I suggest you do your do diligense and go back to school and learn your history.
8:02 am [ Quote ]
Perhaps Senators Hagel and McCain meant to say that they were ‘giving the banana’ to the US public!
11:07 am [ Quote ]
Americans don’t like “amnesty”...
It turns out that Americans don’t like the word amnesty Bush’s oft-stated claim that providing illegal aliens a “path to citizenship,” such as by allowing them to pay a fine or prove long-term employment, isn’t amnesty rings hollow f…
12:13 pm [ Quote ]
Trader67
Yes…I did mean the Republican “imposters”. You forgot Martinez, Hagel and George Bush himself.
I would expect this kind of drivel from most Democrats…especially Kennedy and his followers.
But, I feel especially betrayed by the “Republicans” because I have supported them all my life.
Do Republicans really believe that illegals will vote for them when they are legal? Don’t they know that most Latinos and Latin Media in the USA promulgate the idea that Democrats are for the “Poor” and Republicans are for the “Rich”
Regarding the racist label…there is racism in every society it is part of human nature. Everybody thinks their own people are better than those who are different…So What
Are the Mexicans racists when they take illegal Central Americans and kick them out of Mexico?
I am Spanish and am against this amnesty. It is the people who continually bring up race who are the racists.
4:02 pm [ Quote ]
[...] ***update: Ian Schwartz has the video*** [...]
12:44 am [ Quote ]
IT’S AMNESTY
When McCain quotes the President, what he is explaining is the same process used by everyone who wants to become a ‘legal citizen’. Where’s the severe penalty?
Is it going to the end of the line?
Is it stepping a foot over the border?
Is the penalty learning English? Is it paying back taxes?
Is it to work?
Where’s the severe penalty?
This is the same person who for the last 20 years has done nothing about this problem. Why does he think that he now has the answer?
At counter number 10:26 does him say “have the same yearnings to BREED free”