May 6, 2006
2004 Presidential candidate General Wesley Clark (D) appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher last night to discuss the Democrat’s “plan” for Iraq and the region and also to take over the Senate and House. While discussing the “plan” for the Middle East, Clark says we need to talk to Iran:
WESLEY CLARK: Number three is, we want to use all the tools that the US —power. We want to use our diplomacy. We believe the United States should be talking to everyone in the region, including countries we don’t like, like Syria and Iran. We feel like it is a lot better to talk to someone before you have to bomb them.[clapping]
Right! Because you know how welcoming saying “Israel must be wiped off the map” is.
I think we know what happened the last time fools bent on world domination were appeased.
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1:56 pm [ Quote ]
Kind of like how Stalin thought he would have a little chat with Hitler. That sure went well, didn’t it.
2:07 pm [ Quote ]
I think we know what happened the last time fools bent on world domination were appeased.
Yep. They invaded Iraq.
2:25 pm [ Quote ]
It’d be difficult to trust anything Iran said. I don’t like the ideas of pre-emptive war, so we should try to come up with a diplomatic solution. But I have the feeling we’ll eventually be at war with them. The only question is whether it’ll be before they have nukes, or after they have nukes?
2:47 pm [ Quote ]
“Right! Because you know how welcoming saying “Israel must be wiped off the map” is.
I think we know what happened the last time fools bent on world domination were appeased.”
So, you are simply dismissing anyone who even tries to talk to Iran? Are you really interested in starting another war like Iraq? Do you honestly think this country can sustain it financially, militarily and socially? If this is the Bush plan then now more than ever we need an exit strategy for Iraq, or “No Draft” be damned, you’ll be on the next ballot my friend.
Bombing Iran, even more than Iraq should be the action of last resort when ALL other options have failed, including diplomacy.
One thing that has always interested me is why Israel has never helped the US with troops in Iraq? Aren’t they more likely to be better trained for this kind of warfare. Not only that, isn’t the destruction of Israel what all these Jihadists and terrorists want?
Israel are big boys, nuclear capable. Why do we always have to jump to their defense when idiots like Iran taunt them?
3:51 pm [ Quote ]
yeah wtf is wrong with clark. We shouldnt talk to them a bit. We should just show them the christian way and bomb them to hell. What is wrong with people? How many people should we kill? How many do we have to kill? Remember every terrorist we kill we create even more. The loved ones of the “terrorist” we kill are going to want revenge.
Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity.
4:38 pm [ Quote ]
Yep. They invaded Iraq.
You mean Bosnia don’t you?
Btw, has Wes drawn up an exit strategy for Bosnia YET?
5:09 pm [ Quote ]
Bombing Iran, even more than Iraq should be the action of last resort when ALL other options have failed, including diplomacy.
the only problem is the kooks won’t ever give up on diplomacy, they would rather hold hands, sing “give peace a chance”, and then give Saddam 20 UN resolutions.
5:12 pm [ Quote ]
Did Jesus Tell Bush and Blair to Invade Iraq?
Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU, and PRAY FOR THEM THAT USE YOU AND PERSECUTE YOU.
What would Jesus Do?
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/wwjd.html
5:41 pm [ Quote ]
Bushbot,
Exit strategies aren’t important. We all know that based on the last 4 years.
BoG
6:13 pm [ Quote ]
“Did Jesus Tell Bush and Blair to Invade Iraq?”
Uh, no, like 20 resolutions, including 1441 which told Saddam to give up his weapons programs, or face military action did. I guess you forget about the sanctions, that allowed Iraq the ability to sell oil for food, but instead Saddam built palaces for himself, while babies and children suffered very high mortality rates.
Did Jesus tell Abortion doctors to commit genocide against 50+ Million humans.
Psalm 139:13-16
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes say my unformed body.
I find it hilarious how you invoke the teachings of Jesus Christ, while attempting to ban any public displays of christianity. If Jesus is the rock upon which you choose to build your argument, then it seems like having him in the public square would help to spread your message of peace and love.
I know Jesus wouldn’t allow us as Christians to sit back and let Israel be “wiped” off the map. If we are unable to defend the birthplace of our lord and savior, then what is the purpose of defending “your faith” Anyway.
6:31 pm [ Quote ]
You’re missing the bigger point. It’s not about invoking Christ in lawmaking but about throwing your warloving hypocrisy right back in your face.
7:01 pm [ Quote ]
I think we kinda know what Iran wants at this point—they’ve said more than once that they want to destroy Israel, they want a nuclear bomb and to disseminate that technology to countries like Sudan. There IS no reasoning with that regime just as there IS no way they will stop their quest for a nuclear weapon. They’ve been given several years to come to the table and try to “talk things out”, but the simple fact is that they don’t care. They feel they have the oil, they sponsor terrorism (including what’s going on in Iraq), and they now have missiles that can reach Europe—how much more talking can be done here?
7:06 pm [ Quote ]
Their is nothing to invoke, The majority of our laws are based upon biblical teachings, as the founding fathers intended.
“throwing your warloving hypocrisy right back in your face.”
Please tell me where I mentioned my love of War, only the ignorant one stands idle while the enemy of our friend plots to destroy an entire race. Who is the real warmonger here, a Dictator who believes it is his duty to kill every Jew in Israel, and wipe Israel off the map.
I guess it is only convienent to invoke Jesus, when it is politically expedient to your cause.
7:29 pm [ Quote ]
One thing that has always interested me is why Israel has never helped the US with troops in Iraq? Aren’t they more likely to be better trained for this kind of warfare. Not only that, isn’t the destruction of Israel what all these Jihadists and terrorists want?
Israel are big boys, nuclear capable. Why do we always have to jump to their defense when idiots like Iran taunt them?
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
If you were the leader of a country wouldn’t you rather have some other country send it’s children off to die as well as foot the bill for the war?
And Israel will do the same thing with Iran. It will pressure the United States until we attack Iran for them and they won’t help out – unless the US agrees to reimburse Israel for any expense incurred due to the attack.
7:40 pm [ Quote ]
DKM… have i said anything about my beliefs on banning religious displays. You do not know my beliefs. Wow you are a hostile republican. Why would Iran want Israel wiped of the map? Have we even tried to talk to these people? Someone is more likely to like you or not want you dead if you show them kindness or maybe give them the shirt off your back. What have we done? Told them how they should live or we might bomb them. Yeah thats the answer!
8:13 pm [ Quote ]
spin all you want, diplomacy and appeasement are two very distinct things. but you knew that right?
so now… because of a famous statement made by one man, we are grouping all iranians together as america-hating scum (despite numerous indications to the contrary coming from ahmadinejad’s own government), and criticizing clark for suggesting that we open up a dialogue with people who may or may not blindly share his ideologies? you clearly have no idea of nature of the structure of the iranian government or the positions taken by the majority of iranians. there was in fact a point in time in which both the united states and israel were not unpopular among iranians. only since post-9/11 policies took hold have the iranian people started to antagonize the US in great numbers.
at this point, someone will suggest that i’m being soft and blaming US policies, then accuse me of being a liberal. but that person doesn’t know that tens of thousands of iranians took to the streets and showed their support for the united states on 9/11, because he’s ignorant. it’s not even worthwhile to be racist against persians like is being bordered upon here, or to call them racist against jews. iran has the largest population of jews in the region outside of israel and maintains a stated policy of protecting non-muslims, but you can pretend you knew that. if the president of israel is iranian however, how can you make the claim that all iranians hate jews? how can you even make the claim that all iranians hate israel?
oh, that’s not what you said? then i dunno, maybe it’s not such a bad idea to talk to iran before we turn it into glass. that’s all clark said there, but damn… he’s a democrat, and we’re childish like that. we can’t listen to him.
and why are we invoking jesus’ name, as if jesus should be a consideration in this issue? it’s bad enough that somehow the discussion has veered into how jesus sez abortion is genocide. do we really think that jesus would have us defend a social-construct that makes the holy land for the abrahamic religions belong only to jews? the president of iran did not say he hates jews, nor did he suggest the holy land be harmed in any way. yes, he’s a prick that denies the holocaust and wants the zionist project to be relocated to europe, but why should we take our anger about this out on iranians?
8:49 pm [ Quote ]
General Wesley Clark. Wasn’t he fired for his screw-ups in Kosovo?
Thought so.
9:17 pm [ Quote ]
For all the Republican/Bush loyalists, please take a moment to read/hear the following website:
http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning
9:33 pm [ Quote ]
“so now… because of a famous statement made by one man, we are grouping all iranians together as america-hating scum”
I believe we are speaking about the Iranian government, not their people.
“the president of iran did not say he hates jews, nor did he suggest the holy land be harmed in any way.”
Your Kidding Right?
“it’s not even worthwhile to be racist against persians like is being bordered upon here, or to call them racist against jews.”
What are you talking about, we are talking about the Dictator of Iran. Who has mentioned the Iranian people.
“do we really think that jesus would have us defend a social-construct that makes the holy land for the abrahamic religions belong only to jews?”
Both people share the holyland, muslims want complete control.
“oh, that’s not what you said? then i dunno, maybe it’s not such a bad idea to talk to iran before we turn it into glass. that’s all clark said there, but damn… he’s a democrat, and we’re childish like that. we can’t listen to him.”
I guess the pattern of lies, is of no concern. We also tried this approach with North Korea, and it really worked out well.
10:13 pm [ Quote ]
DKM —you’re no Christian.
Nice try quoting Psalms and trying to pass that off as something Jesus Christ—the New Covenant—actually said.
Until you ‘Old-Testamenters’ start quoting Jesus Christ, you’ve lost all privilege to the appelation “Christian”.
10:32 pm [ Quote ]
ME Said:
And your no Jack Kennedy!
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that you were handing out the “Christian Application Cards”.
“Until you ‘Old-Testamenters’ start quoting Jesus Christ, you’ve lost all privilege to the appelation “Christian”.”
Interesting…...
11:51 pm [ Quote ]
General Wesley Clark. Wasn’t he fired for his screw-ups in Kosovo?
As a matter of fact, no. Clark was successful in Kosovo. Saved a million and a half people from ethnic cleansing (pretty talk for genocide) and without a SINGLE allied combat casualty.
In a nut shell, Clark got fired for being right when his boss was wrong, and wasn’t able to to to keep it a secret. Cohen couldn’t stand the humiliation.
One thing Clark learned in the Balkans is that talk is not appeasement and trust has nothing to do with it. We talked to Milosevic before we bombed him. And because we did, we had all 19 NATO member nations and most of the world’s favor behind us. That’s what talk gets you; it’s what we won’t have if we don’t talk to Iran first.
8:19 am [ Quote ]
do some research and you’ll find that immediately after September 11 the Iranians sponatenously held candelit vigils in solidarity with the Americans.
http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html
they have since elected a beligerent and hostile President since then. Calling them out as being part of the Axis of Evil has marginalised them, we have given them no choice but to be our enemy
9:04 am [ Quote ]
National Review
August 26, 2003
General Wesley Clark is riding high on what is universally considered his prescience about the current Iraq war. Going unremarked is his utter lack of prescience about his own war, in Kosovo in 1999.
Back then, Clark thought he had Slobodan Milosevic figured out, and that the mere threat of NATO bombing — and perhaps a day or two of the real thing — would bring him to the negotiating table and force him to be reasonable. When this turned out not to be the case, Clark had no Plan B, because President Clinton had ruled out ground troops from the outset.
So, NATO continued with a limp air campaign that was inadequate to stopping Milosevic’s ethnic-cleansing campaign, that appalled other members of the military brass who thought Clark had helped drag the U.S. into a near-fiasco, and that led to such ill-feeling toward Clark in the Pentagon that he was fired at war’s end, launching his career as a TV pundit.
Clark insisted: “’I can’t believe that Milosevic won’t sign, when the crunch comes. He always holds out. He has to be leaned on very hard. But he will come around.”
Of course, Milosevic didn’t. Even when the bombing campaign began, Clark made threats that had no connection to the amount of force NATO was willing to bring to bear. Clark said NATO would, “systematically attack, disrupt, degrade, devastate, and ultimately destroy” Yugoslavia’s military and security forces. Uh, no it wouldn’t — partly because everyone believed, like Clark, in the rosy scenario.
Andrew Bacevich writes in American Empire, “it became clear that Clark — though not he alone — had miscalculated. A defiant Milosevic did not fold. The first several days’ bombing succeeded only in stoking the fires of Serb nationalism and providing Belgrade with the excuse to accelerate its ethnic cleansing of Kosovo.”
To Clark’s credit, he pushed for a ground option, but for everyone else in Washington it was a nonstarter, because no one thought it worth the risk in a war in which the American national interest was so attenuated.
Things turned out in the end, of course. But one million refugees later, and only because one of Gen. Clark’s subordinates, Gen. Michael C. Short, who did an end run around Clark to institute an increasingly aggressive bombing campaign against Belgrade. By the end, Bacevich writes, “Clark found his control over ongoing operations eroding. Rather than the theater commander, he became hardly more than a kibitzer.”
Something to keep in mind the next time — and it will be soon — you hear about Wes Clark’s prescience.
10:32 am [ Quote ]
[...] The more things change, the more they stay the same. We have a nation of people gearing up for war at a frantic pace, who have violated the borders of a neighboring country, and who is eager to kill as many Jews as possible. And many of our own citizens react this way: Number three is, we want to use all the tools that the US —power. We want to use our diplomacy. We believe the United States should be talking to everyone in the region, including countries we don’t like, like Syria and Iran. We feel like it is a lot better to talk to someone before you have to bomb them. — Wesley Clark (Video at Expose The Left) [...]
10:51 am [ Quote ]
I think we know what happened the last time fools bent on world domination were appeased.
Bush got U.N. Resolution 1441 passed?
12:59 pm [ Quote ]
DKM —
“And your no Jack Kennedy!
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that you were handing out the “Christian Application Cards”.”
That’s your response?
Try answering the point.
Quite simply—don’t call yourself “Christian” when you don’t or can’t follow Jesus Christ’s actual teachings.
2:34 pm [ Quote ]
“Quite simply—don’t call yourself “Christian” when you don’t or can’t follow Jesus Christ’s actual teachings.”
I’m sorry, can you explain how I’m not following the teachings of Jesus Christ, when you obviously have no idea who I am. When you can find the acceptance for Abortion in the teachings of Jesus Christ.
6:05 pm [ Quote ]
Ha, Ian, I wouldn’t be so gung-ho about Iran, you know if there is a war with them then a draft is imminent.
But regardless, Clark is one of many calling for at least exploring the diplomatic option. A military attack should be the LAST option, is that so hard to understand? Clark did not say we should talk with them and accept whatever offer they give – you’re trying to play this as if he wants us to surrender to Iran’s demand. Why am I not surprised.
12:26 am [ Quote ]
Bacevich is a liar. Everybody who was actually at SHAPE HQs knows that Short got nowhere and Clark’s strategy prevailed. Good thing too.