April 27, 2006
(via Michelle Malkin)
Here is some more “liberal tolerance” that you hear about:
The anti-military punks are at it again. Reader Nora. A. e-mailed me photos of vandalism yesterday at UNC-Chapel Hill’s ROTC armory taken by her son, an ROTC cadet on campus:
UPDATE: But don’t you dare question their patriotism!
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2:38 pm [ Quote ]
Somebody needs to round up these little crap punks and give them a one-way ticket to Iraq, Iran, Sudan, take your pick!
2:41 pm [ Quote ]
Is there a draft in place that I just don’t know about?
2:45 pm [ Quote ]
I’m probably gonna catch sh*t for this…..but STG that writing looks photoshopped to me.
There’s no break in the writing over the door seams.
Very strange.
2:46 pm [ Quote ]
Those kids should be shot
2:48 pm [ Quote ]
...not saying it didn’t happen but just that the spraypainting in those pics looks PS’d to me.
2:49 pm [ Quote ]
Yeah that draft is causing quite a backlash…
2:55 pm [ Quote ]
I am not exactly sure how you could photoshop, in such detail, the reflection of the building and paint cans within the spilled red paint on the ground…
2:58 pm [ Quote ]
To liberals, defacing public property falls under the category of free speech. This is all part of the “Living Breathing Constitution” line of reasoning they espouse? If the left can manufacture a position on abortion from the words and text of the Constitution, surely promoting or approving the defacing of public property is hidden in the vernacular of our founding fathers as well.
If caught, those responsible should clean up the mess and pay for the materials to do so out of their own pocket.
3:01 pm [ Quote ]
...or we could just read this article from the local newspaper to know it was not photoshopped.
http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/433153.html
3:02 pm [ Quote ]
...not saying it didn’t happen but just that the spraypainting in those pics looks PS’d to me.
The line in the K in Fuck goes down between the space between the doors. There should be breaks or something where there is no space. Plus, the zoomed up picture which was taken at an angle looks exactly the same as it does when looked at straight on (the wording at least).
3:02 pm [ Quote ]
Find these spoiled little fucks, send em’ Iraq, and use em’ to defuse IEDs and mines – but with zero training.
Problem solved.
3:05 pm [ Quote ]
But don’t question their patriotism.
3:12 pm [ Quote ]
Ugly,
I would disagree, given a quick look. The W in War is broken as would be expected, and the tell tale signs of photoshopping, side from perspective, size, and lighting problems, would probabably be un-expected artifacts or something being too “clean” (uniform color etc). I’m no expert, but it looks pretty authentic, without taking it through the mill.
3:16 pm [ Quote ]
But don’t question their patriotism.
It’s a “nuanced” patriotism JWL.
3:29 pm [ Quote ]
ROTC Attacked…
I’m joining Indepundit, Black Five, Sister Toldjah, Michelle Malkin, Ian, and California Conservative in their outrage of this.
Vandals staged attacks early Wednesday on the buildings used by the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps at N.C….
3:29 pm [ Quote ]
They should round up the rotten punks and make them clean it up with atoothbrush and teacup then they should all be suspended and if they are in any athletic team kicke them off and if their on the honor roll remove them then take away their computers kick them off their fat lazy butts and make them get a job and then give them a good spanking and screw the experts
3:32 pm [ Quote ]
Liberals are all for freedom of speech and expression…until you disagree with them.
3:45 pm [ Quote ]
...or we could just read this article from the local newspaper to know it was not photoshopped.
Jordan: I did read it.
Like I said…I’m just a bit skeptical of this pic which came from an independent source.
I’m not saying that it isn’t real…just that it looked at bit suspicious to me.
BTW…I was only referring to the black spray-painted letters and not the red paint in the foreground. That doesn’t look PS’d to me.
3:58 pm [ Quote ]
Okay…...I just viewed these pics on a different monitor and the letters don’t look quite as flat before.
Sorry gang, but I’m just a natural skeptic I guess.
You may now begin throwing large objects in my general direction ; )
4:02 pm [ Quote ]
Didn’t the Democrats try to scare young people during the last election by saying that W had a secret draft ready to go if re-elected?
Maybe these d-bags didn’t get the memo.
4:16 pm [ Quote ]
.....but don’t you dare question their patriotism.
4:46 pm [ Quote ]
That does look pixilated around the white area. its in a box if you look close. theres a rectangle around “f you” and a box around “we won’t fight your wars”.
6:29 pm [ Quote ]
Because all the spelling is correct. I’d be looking more at some UNC liberal Professors for this vandalism…
6:59 pm [ Quote ]
It appears many countries in the world are actually pro-US and pro-Bush. The list may surprise you.
7:11 pm [ Quote ]
Just remember… liberals still support the troops!
7:17 pm [ Quote ]
So basically you are saying that graffitti should be punished by forcing people to fight and die in a war that although we may think it is necessary they think isn’t? Isn’t that pretty close to the old mohammedan ‘convert or die, infidel’ that has even recently been invoked? How does it make sense? And how does it get people to support military action? Is it necessary to be so stupid to show support? We know there is going to be a wide conflict with the mohammedan culture/states for a long time. Isn’t the tolerance of such bullshit as this what makes America great? OR are you against a great America? I just don’t get it. Maybe tolerance for different opinions is just another punk idea that can’t really exist in a time of great war. In which case, Osama and his buddies really have already won. Sad.
7:19 pm [ Quote ]
I agree that vandalism is a cowardly and innapropriate method of dissent. Believe it or not some folks are more offended by military invasions, casualties of innocents, casualties of friends and loved ones, torture, corporate orgies, pathetic pipeline construction project mismanagement etc. When students views are trivialised and marginalised, they sometimes resort to misguided moves like this out of impotent opposition. Am I the only person offended by the Bostonian? You folks might be more effective in creating a better world if you proactively immersed yourselves in policy and activism, conservative or otherwise.
Paint it over and move on. Believe it or not there are bigger things going on.
7:29 pm [ Quote ]
The act of vandalism aside, the graffiti makes no sense! Figures.
Is it too much to ask that these college kids put together a coherent thought?
“We won’t fight your wars”.
Um, ok.
1) Is anyone asking or demanding that they do?
2) Rather ironic, considering that those who do enlist are doing the fighting for them.
More ridiculous than the “not in my name” slogan.
7:29 pm [ Quote ]
this is so clearly photoshopped…Whether the story is true, I don’t know, but I know a photoshopped picture…
Here is how you can tell: look at the jpg artifacts that appear around the spraypainted text. It looks like blurry distortion. This distortion does not occur anywhere else on the photo—-only around the graffiti and the paint. Someone should get a life rather than make fake photos and this site shouldn’t give those pictures such a prominent place on the web…
7:30 pm [ Quote ]
I’m betting that there are finger prints on those paint cans.
7:36 pm [ Quote ]
Of course dissent should be tolerated. But the same does not hold for every manner in which that dissent might be expressed.
[i]When students views are trivialised and marginalised, they sometimes resort to misguided moves like this out of impotent opposition.[/i]
Yes, that makes perfect sense. If you don’t take me seriously, that justifies my illegal activity! No, their infantile behavior isn’t a result of them not being taken seriously. Their entire worldview is a result of their infantile mindset.
[i]Paint it over and move on. Believe it or not there are bigger things going on.[/i]
No, there aren’t. Believe it or not, the future of our civilization hinges on matters such as these. Are we a nation of laws or aren’t we? Is this a republic, or is this a mobocracy? Because if we allow illegal acts like these to go unpunished, we are essentially saying that there are no rules, and what the mob wants the mob gets.
Do you really want to go there? I promise you that once civilization stops being civilized, people like the Bostonian will have their way.
7:41 pm [ Quote ]
I’m offended that he called them kids, as childish as the traitorous scumbags are.
Anyway, I think that shooting the idiots would be tyrannical and an unwarranted escalation of the hatecrime commited by the degenerate libs who decided to insult the American military.
If they feel so impotent they should try being a student in Iran or Cuba where they would be put in prison by the social engineers which have produced the threats to civilization and oppression to liberty which they are too distraced with their bitching and moaning about corporations (capitalism really) and America shaping a balance of power that favors freedom in the world to notice.
The bigger problem here is the corruption of academia which has depleted America of much character and potential. That is the sad larger issue here.
7:44 pm [ Quote ]
The Daily Tar Heel, not a conservative paper, has a picture of the vandalism on its frontpage at www.dailytarheel.com. I doubt the picture has been photoshopped.
7:58 pm [ Quote ]
These pictures definitely look photoshopped to me. However, I am reserving judgement until I can see a better photograph. There is definite artifacting around the spraypainted text, but there is definite artifacting everywhere in this picture that is easily seen even by a cursory glance without zooming in to look at the pixels. Take a look at the red bricks, which are completely overrun with artifacts, the lower edge of the door, which has a layer of artifacts about it, or the paint cans which are heavily artifacted.
8:08 pm [ Quote ]
I saw this on WRAL news yesterday. Unless they edited the film (tape) it most certainly is not photoshopped. IT is impossible for you to look at an image at 72 pixels per inch on your monitor and declare it’s a fraud. I’d suggest that anyone making that claim is a fraud. Get over yourself.
8:09 pm [ Quote ]
The second image is most certainly photoshopped. All you need to do is look at the zoomed in image – check out the “box” in which rhe paint cans reside in as well as the graffitti.
regardless of the nature of the photos, if some vandalism did indeed occur, than those who did are pathetic. My guess is that they’re ran out of weed for the night and couldn’t think of anything better to do.
8:10 pm [ Quote ]
Raul:
If this was a picture of an abortion clinic defaced by nutty right-wingers, you wouldn’t be saying “Paint it over and move on. Believe it or not there are bigger things going on.”
Besides, the military itself doesn’t make their foreign policy. It’s Congress and the President that send our troops abroad into military conflict.
Obviously, these punks aren’t smart enough, or care enough, to understand that and it might be part of the reason why they are “marginalized” as you claim.
This is not just an isolated incident by punk Liberals. This goes along with trying to BAN military recruiting from their campuses and all of the anti-military and anti-America rallies in SF and the like.
The vast majority of Americans haven’t trusted the Dems with our military for over 30 years, since Vietnam. It’s going to be another 30 years if the far Lefties in the party keep resorting to this kind of crap.
I am a supporter of George Bush, but I think he has made a lot of mistakes in this conflict.
However, the Dems won’t take their power back anytime soon because you can’t beat something with nothing.
Bush’s poll numbers may be low, but the Dems poll numbers are just as low and they haven’t been able to take advantage of it and persuade Americans to vote for them.
8:31 pm [ Quote ]
Military Hating College Intellectuals Strike Again…
First, It was in my backyard in Santa Cruz, now the brainiac college socialists/hippies strike again at UNC!
Photos courtesy of Blackfive
Just one question for the intellectuals, who asked you to fight? I know I didn’t nor would even want t…
8:40 pm [ Quote ]
You trolls must not know Chapel Hill. Do you think for a moment that the students at the most liberal univesity south of Yale, would not be posting “it’s fake”, if it was? What do you people think, all 30,000 students were duped by a photo shopped picture. Get a life. Can you people not accept that there are piss ant dicks who vandalize state property? And my the way, my bet, the vandals are not students. Students would not risk explusion for this stunt. These are off campus want to be’s who did not get in the UNC or anywhere, but there local community college. Figure this out? why is this so hard for you people?
8:43 pm [ Quote ]
Oh, it is because you are IDOITS.
9:32 pm [ Quote ]
If the people who did this are caught, I suggest that an appropriate punishment would be a lengthy period of community service, cleaning graffiti off public buildings.
10:10 pm [ Quote ]
kemperman:
“Students would not risk explusion [sic] for this stunt.”
How in the HELL do you know?
I graduated from Purdue University and I lived in a dorm for four years.
You CANNOT discount the students and it doesn’t matter if we are talking about UNC or a more religious institution like Notre Dame.
Young people do stupid things and they don’t always think of the consequences if they are caught.
Many of us who comment on this site have lived in dorms ourselves and we can acknowledge that college students are capable of doing a lot of things.
The students absolutely cannot be dismissed, especially since there is always the possibility that booze will be a factor in this kind of behavior.
Of course, we all know that there is NO WAY college students ever drink or party in their dorms!
I’m not accusing any UNC students for this crime, but I’m also not ruling out the possibility they could be responsible for it.
10:24 pm [ Quote ]
http://www.dailytarheel.com/
It is not PhotoShopped. Here is the story from the Daily Tar Heel, the student paper at UNC-Chapel Hill. The Raleigh New and Observer also has the story.
10:55 pm [ Quote ]
Thanks for posting the link and putting the “vast right-wing conspiracy” to an end, John Rich.
Of course, when punk Libs are exposed for this kind of anti-military and frankly anti-American behavior, some Libs on this site automatically defend it by claiming that the photos were doctored by Republicans to shed Dems in a bad light.
Republicans don’t need to doctor photos to make unhinged Dems look bad.
11:28 pm [ Quote ]
Wow, most of you here remind me of Nazi’s!
11:30 pm [ Quote ]
I love it when people claim that JPEG artifacts are evidence of Photoshopping. I love it further when they implicitly claim that a town of 30,000 wouldn’t know that such a thing didn’t happen, or that students would never have done such a thing because there would be consequences.
11:34 pm [ Quote ]
I also love it when people like joe say we remind him of Nazis, when he wouldn’t know a Nazi if one bit him in the butt.
So, we remind him of Nazis because…
we are neo-pagans?
we support large-scale public-works programs and a compulsory tax for winter heating for the aged and the poor?
we support euthanasia and abortion for people who have a poor “quality of life”?
Funny, none of that sounds like the Right.
11:50 pm [ Quote ]
What is it with the “but don’t you dare question their patriotism”? I think Mark Twain said it best, “Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” I don’t think what these kids did was right, but how does sending them to Iraq solve anything? Doing that would cause (hopefully) cause an uprising among the people. I can’t imagine anyone standing for someone getting sent to war over something as trivial as that. I know your going to argue that they did it during the Vietnam War, but times has changed. Maybe I’m being overly optimistic
12:26 am [ Quote ]
What cowardice! A “normal” person could express an opinion—such as with a sign or placard, or painting HIMSELF red—without creating a mess for others to clean up. A “normal” person could publicly express an opinion, own up to it, and defend it when confronted. The chumps who did this clearly have BBs for balls.
12:32 am [ Quote ]
I have to disagree with you. Just protesting isn’t really balls-y, it’s protected in the bill of rights. But going out and doing what they did, like it or not, does take a bit of courage to do. I’m not calling them heros, just saying that they probably do have balls bigger than BB’s.
12:37 am [ Quote ]
Sorry to double post, but didn’t the people who participated in the Boston Tea Party use unorthadox methods to get their point across?
1:34 am [ Quote ]
This is not bravery and it is not unorthodox. It is vandalism, pure and simple.
If you believe strongly enough, you create a sign and protest.
You are brave if you publicly stand up and be held accountable for your beliefs.
Vandalism doesn’t change the minds of those to whom your message is addressed.
1:41 am [ Quote ]
Photos are clearly not photo-shopped; that was just a straw man thrown out by a barking moon bat.
1:44 am [ Quote ]
“I’m not calling them heros, just saying that they probably do have balls bigger than BB’s.”
I suspect they have brains smaller than BBs.
4:22 am [ Quote ]
Did these guys proclaim that they were liberal? couldnt they have been just against the war?
Lets look at the subject matter… this is a B.S. war. We were lied into this war.
4:27 am [ Quote ]
I don’t think most “liberals” blame the military for the war, but rather, the civilian leadership. So this is pretty clearly neither here nor there.
5:03 am [ Quote ]
Re Photoshopping the image – where the paint appears to leave no break over the door seems take a closer look and you’ll see that the paint has painted inside the seam and run down just a little. These vandals were in a hurry and did a sloppy job.
6:33 am [ Quote ]
I live in Durham NC and my daughter goes to UNC. The ROTC building is just down from the hospital off Manning St, and is on a one way artery of traffic.
HUNDREDS (if not thousands) of people go by that site every day. If the graffiti were not there, you would have heard about it long before now.
7:23 am [ Quote ]
Am I the only person offended by the Bostonian?
Lol guess you never heard of hyperbole
Do you really want to go there? I promise you that once civilization stops being civilized, people like the Bostonian will have their way.
and the world will be a better place
I’m offended that he called them kids, as childish as the traitorous scumbags are.
why they hae a maturity level on par with my 4 year old
7:39 am [ Quote ]
“We won’t fight your wars!”
Then don’t.
7:55 am [ Quote ]
These undisciplined children should be spanked. Unless they would enjoy it.
9:14 am [ Quote ]
For Rubiksphere, who asked:
“Sorry to double post, but didn’t the people who participated in the Boston Tea Party use unorthadox methods to get their point across?”
Sorry Rubik, but the comparison is apples and oranges…..The tea party was because of taxation without representation….not in a place where these folks have representation, and if old enough a vote as well!
Duke
10:39 am [ Quote ]
“Military Hating College Intellectuals Strike Again…”, you made my point. You really have to be the dumbest “homo erectus” to join the military & go to fight wars for pre-pubescent dipshits trolling this site. Ian, anytime you ‘re feeling like giving one our your limbs to the nation, you know what to do boy?.enlist…...
1:29 pm [ Quote ]
Leave it to liberals to say “It’s Photoshopped!” when it’s independently verified to be true.
Denial just isn’t a river in Egypt. It flows through the empty space in Liberal’s heads.
2:19 pm [ Quote ]
“Did these guys proclaim that they were liberal? couldnt they have been just against the war?”
The messages scrawled on those doors were taken directly from Howard Dean and the DNC Talking Points Memo.
I’d say that’s a good indication that they were Liberal.
Besides, Republicans don’t have the long history of being anti-military and anti-American like Liberals do.
2:43 pm [ Quote ]
Joe:
“Wow, most of you here remind me of Nazi’s!”
That’s the possesive form of Nazi, not the plural. The plural of “Nazi” is “Nazis”
2:48 pm [ Quote ]
Ian, anytime you ‘re feeling like giving one our your limbs to the nation, you know what to do boy?.enlist…...
Now, now… he’s got to defend freedom. After all, if he ships off to Iraq, commie libs will be able to comment on his blog with nobody to try to ban them!
3:07 pm [ Quote ]
only a near-idiot or worse would call other people “IDOITS”.
what the hell is an IDOIT???
put a cork in it, moron.
9:13 pm [ Quote ]
Hey, Raul,
Give me your address, I’ve got some Freedom of Expression I want to exercise.
Afterwards, you can just “paint over it, and move on….”
1:25 pm [ Quote ]
The kids should have burned the offices down. The only punks are those who support the war, but aren’t over in Iraq right now. Cowards.
Will the Bush twins enlist?
5:35 pm [ Quote ]
“Besides, Republicans don’t have the long history of being anti-military and anti-American like Liberals do.”
If by that you mean getting draft deferments and using Daddy’s influence to keep them out of combat, then yeah, they do.
Incidentally, some also have a taste for vandalism, among other things:
From the Wikipedia: “Since 1977, in the United States and Canada, there have been 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 89 attempted bombings or arsons, 1347 incidences of trespassing, 1213 incidences of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid, in addition to other disruptive and violent acts, by anti-abortion activists.”
I’m guessing the people in this forum had less to say about the “rule of law” and the “future of our civilization” on those occasions. Republicans aren’t without their lawbreakers of choice.
“If the people who did this are caught, I suggest that an appropriate punishment would be a lengthy period of community service, cleaning graffiti off public buildings.”
Exactly. Vandalism is a crime. Insulting the military isn’t. Figure out the distinction already.