(Hat Tip: Instapundit)
General Georges Sada, who served under the command of Saddam Hussein, appeared on The Daily Show last night to discuss his new book “Saddam’s Secrets“:
In his book and on The Daily Show, Sada says that Weapons of Mass Destruction existed, however they were moved to Syria prior to the American invasion in 2003. Stewart asks how he knows this; was it by documents or video, Sada responds: “I was the number two man in the air force”.
Full transcript below.
Last week I posted three audio clips of Sada interviewed on The Mike Rosen Show. He discussed the WMDs Saddam owned and Hussein’s planned attack against Israel.
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JON STEWART, HOST: Then, is the battle between our two countries, was it drummed up between Saddam and his interests to dominate the Arab world and our interests to have stability? Was it inevitable? Is it something that came through misunderstandings of culture?GENERAL GEORGES SADA: Well let me tell you, it was not misunderstanding between the cultures, but t was the Saddam intentions and Saddam wanted to rule that part of the world. He was always going to go for weapons and of course he had weapons of mass destruction that he had managed to hide and to mislead the United Nations countries.
STEWART: This is obviously the most controversial part of the book. In it you say that right before the invasion of Iraq Saddam had his weapons of mass destruction taken to Syria.
SADA: That’s true. He had them there before Americans came and liberated the country. The weapons were transported to Syria by air and by ground.
STEWART: That would seemingly get the Bush administration off the giant hook that it appears to be on. Why wouldn’t they pursue that line of evidence? Or have they? It seems like for us it would be hard to understand that that really happened. Given that the whole world was looking for those.
SADA: I am sure in the coming days the authorities are going to tell the public and tell all Americans after they will have all the evidence in their hands and they can verify everything to the Americans.
STEWART: You still feel, now this is first-hand knowledge of yours? Somebody told you this? You’ve seen it in documents? You’ve seen it on video.
SADA: Oh yes, the weapons of mass destruction I have seen them myself because you see I was the number two man in the air force. Then I know how they were used against our nation. Of course—
STEWART: But in the later ‘90s after they thought they had rid them of it, you still saw them.SADA: After the ‘90s they were there. How I knew they were there, after they were transported the pilots who transported they told me.
STEWART: The guys that flew them …
SADA: The guys who were responsible.
STEWART: How do you fly a weapon? Isn’t that a large thing or do you put it….
SADA: No. They are raw materials; some of them are like barrels, yellow barrels, of course, with skulls and cross bones on them.
STEWART: You think if you’re going to hide that stuff you think you might paint something like you know, spam.
[laughter]
STEWART: In your mind this will all come out. We will learn that there are weapons of mass destruction. You can understand how it’s hard for us to be a little bit skeptical but I like you.
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4:53 pm [ Quote ]
Sorry, but I am still not totally convinced. This is a second-hand account, at best.
I read another report yesterday on yahoo news that said that Saddam had no wmd’s, and was frustrated that no one believed him. Not too sure about that one, either.
However, if what this man is saying is true, why is Bush now calling Iran our greatest threat? Why haven’t we initiated a pre-emptive strike against Syria? After all, they have all of these horrendous wmd’s that Iraq possessed, and could wipe us out at any second.
4:54 pm [ Quote ]
Of course, most of the viewers of The Daily Show will selectively forget most of this interview. Truth is, with evidence this strong, I am surprised that The Daily Show was willing to have General Sada as a guest, since the MSM seems to ignore him.
I think, however, that this is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of where the WMD’s are. Russia may have been complicit in their removal as well, as reports seem to prove.
4:57 pm [ Quote ]
Madison,
It’s good to have a healthy skepticism, but don’t blow it off entirely. General Sada should be considered a reliable source, considering his rank.
For a long time reports have been saying that a lot of the weapons that the murderciders in Iraq are using have come from Syria. General Sada’s accounts seem to fit that model.
5:04 pm [ Quote ]
The Gentle Cricket,
What a soothing name.
I don’t discount anything entirely.
“Murderciders?” Is that like “evildoers?”
5:08 pm [ Quote ]
The importance of this interview with Stewart is that it lends to the traction that General Sada is gaining for his account. Combined with the 48,000 boxes of documents to be released and translated by the blogosphere, the WMD issue may yet have its day in the court of public opinion.
5:26 pm [ Quote ]
This is a second-hand account, at best
That’s a pretty strong second.
5:43 pm [ Quote ]
This is a second-hand account, at best
Funny how some – repeat some – on the left don’t have this same critical judgment when it comes to accusations against Bush or the Administration.
Someone makes an allegation against the Bush White House and, bingo, they grab it and run with it.
All critical thought, all concerns about verifying the charges, all focus on documenting the report seem to disappear.
Very odd.
SMG
5:51 pm [ Quote ]
Ok now that that is said, what is the reaction of the Administration to this bombshell of information? They had to hear of this. Much of the uproar is over the missing wmds so I would think they would move on this. Why are we just hearing about this now?
I know this looks like the beacon of light for bush admirers everywhere but if Saddams ex-general’s book is what you all are basing the uproar of this “I told u you” celebration (that didnt happen until this general came forward in the first place) location of the wmds and not the CIA or US intelligence, then thats sad.
But really, if this was the piece to the puzzle, I think the Administration would have recognized its importance or at least been 1 step behind the wmds, Dont you?
5:54 pm [ Quote ]
Trust me, if this were true, and backed up by facts the administration and FOX news would be all over it.
We’ll wait and see.
6:00 pm [ Quote ]
I wonder how many, if any, of our presidents or member of the Joint Chiefs have actually ever “seen” a WMD from our own aresonal? Does that mean they only have a second hand knowledge of the fire power of the US of A that they have the power to control?
Leak—I suspect that allowing momentum to build up from the docs getting released and accounts such as Sada’s getting more attention will play much stronger than a sudden announcment from the White House. Even strong supporters would be skeptical of a such an action at this point.
6:03 pm [ Quote ]
Funny how some – repeat some – on the left don’t have this same critical judgment when it comes to accusations against Bush or the Administration.
Isn’t this the absolute truth…see, Galloway, George and Hersh, Seymour.
How MANY goddamn stories have been thrown against the wall and been totally debunked re: Iraq/911/OBL/Al Qaeda and yet the whiny little bitch liberals and communists still hammer hammer hammer like a stupid chimp banging on a little toy drum.
Morons.
6:16 pm [ Quote ]
I can’t believe I’m lamenting that I missed a Daily Show.
6:32 pm [ Quote ]
FOX news already had Sada on two months ago:
6:34 pm [ Quote ]
(oops…I still can’t make links properly)
Sada on FOX:
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182932,00.html
6:34 pm [ Quote ]
I noticed that the Daily Show seemed to be wasting Sada’s time trying to avoid getting to the part where General Sada stuffs reality down the throats of the ignorant daily show audience. General Sada himself had to bring up the WMD subject towards the end of the interview.
If it were an Iraqi general who claimed there was NO WMD the first thing Jon Stewart would have asked about is the WMD. Even towards the end of the interview Stewart still cringed at having to hear a view that supports President Bush’s case for war. Just another example of the hypocritical left and their phony outrage
6:43 pm [ Quote ]
If these accounts are true (and suspicions of exactly this scenario have been lingering for a LONG time, since the first David Kay report mentioned the convoys into Syria) it’s possible that the Bush administration isn’t playing it up precisely because Russia was involved.
Maybe he thinks getting beat up over believing what everyone believed is less important than protecting relations with Russia for the short term. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, the last thing we need is for a completely isolated Russia, which is already showing signs of lapsing into their old ways under Putin.
Just my two cents.
6:47 pm [ Quote ]
Perhaps one of the reasons this information isn’t being trumpted is because the WMD’s were just one of 20+ reasons for invading Iraq in the first place. We still had 5+ UN resolutions. We needed to remove Saddam even if he didn’t have WMD.
While the WMD’s were brought up at the UN meeting and in the SotU, they weren’t the sole reason. So having testimony (and perhaps evidence) of an ancillaroy (honestly) piece of the puzzle isn’t that important.
Detractors from the war and the administration have put a lot of emphasis on the WMD’s – not the supporters and the administration.
7:29 pm [ Quote ]
Glad to see the funny man could give a serious human, 90 seconds to talk about one of the most serious issues of the last 5 years.
I guess we should be grateful for that bit of open mindedness from the left.
7:59 pm [ Quote ]
It seems to me this is only of interest as the path to destruction of the WMDs themselves. However, doesn’t Syria already have WMDs, nevermind any transfers from Iraq?
The WMD ‘debate’ is a red herring that doesn’t help the cause of the ‘pro-Iraq war’ folks, like me, and actually hurts it. In effect it changes the focus from what we knew/thought we knew in 2003 to what was actually present in a closed country where it was unlikely that we would have perfect knowledge of the internal workings of activities that were meant to be hidden. Accordingly, this seems to me to be all about scoring rhetorical points.
7:59 pm [ Quote ]
_Jon, I just reread the SotU address:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html
There were 18 paragraphs referring to Iraq. 13 refer directly to wmd/chemical/biological/banned weapons. The other 5 refer to Sadaam being a generally evil man.
But I found this gem:
We will consult. But let there be no misunderstanding: If Saddam Hussein does not fully disarm, for the safety of our people and for the peace of the world, we will lead a coalition to disarm him.
What were the 20+ reasons for invading? We can discuss the UN later but why are we doing the dirty work for the UN?
So assume Saddam had no WMD. Can you extract the portion of justification from the SotU address that justifies a war? Now take the terrorist ties and apply them to what we currently know three years later. The ties to Al Queda were circumstantial at best (anybody want to give me evidence of a strong link?).
Let’s throw some truth into this blog, eh?
8:01 pm [ Quote ]
Interesting points. So if Russia was involved in the transfer we are not speaking out about because? We are afraid of them? Bush and Putin call each other friends in public, but if this is true how could Bush ever say that someone who helped transfer Saddam’s WMDs is a friend? This is ridiculous. But oh well. This only shows that there is far too much going on behind the scenes. We like to think we are informed by this person or that person but none of us here know what actually is going on.
I just thought of something. Wouldn’t it be awesome if somehow the CIA found out about the transfer before the war started? Then we could get the WMDs in Syria which is much smaller and far easier to pacify.
8:02 pm [ Quote ]
To be clear, the anti-war folks traffic in rhetorical arguments 24-7, and they convince nobody….which is exactly why anti-war folks will ignore General Sada.
8:17 pm [ Quote ]
The Leak:
Why are we just hearing about this now?
Um maybe YOU’RE just hearing about this now.. Sada has been well known about for quite some time, but beyond him the reports of convoys trucking the stuff to Syria have been around since the begining. Many have said that it was actually Russian military vehicles moving the stuff… Not to mention the reports that Russia sold them WMDs in 99 and 2000.
Some think the reason the administration isn’t pumping it is for starters, they aren’t worried about poll numbers as much as they are worried about doing what is right and staying on offense in the war on terror… And if they were to come out and expose Russian involvement, how do we expect any help on Iran from them (which we need) when Russia would obviously become an enemy at that point?
And if you really think that we’re putting all of our eggs in Sada’s basket, then you’re clearly making every effort to hide from all the reports… I’ve provided at least half a dozen to a dozen links in the past to stories related to all of this, but it’s a waste because you liberals never read them because they don’t suit your agenda. If you want a few more to ignore, I posted a whole bunch over on this Sada thread a week or so ago:
http://www.exposetheleft.com/2006/03/15/sada-interview/#comments
Other than that I won’t waste my time providing you with information to ignore.
8:22 pm [ Quote ]
Sada also believes that when the intelligence is gathered on this particular matter, that all will be revealed—eventually. From the CIA or President Bush personally, just ultimately in an eventual sense. Although I don’t exactly know how to go against these claims. Why would Sada lie? Just to make a few bucks on a book? Don’t think so, left.
8:38 pm [ Quote ]
Randy: Damn you! Please don’t confuse the anti-war liberals with facts, it only gives them headaches and forces them to think of ways to spin the truth!
8:39 pm [ Quote ]
Hey, TruthInAdvertising, before you start accusing the reality of things on this blog, why don’t you take a look at your self? Sada said on about every television station and radio show that there was a presence of WMDs with the acknowledgement from Hussein. The speculation of them not being existent with the consent of Saddam Hussein—theoretically claimed by you—is a lie in it self. Also, we have moved from being at war with Saddam Hussein to being at war with terrorism it self. The question is, where do we go from here? Do you wish for American troops to leave that area? Are you a strategical General for the United States Military?
Without saying that Sada is a complete “liar”,—then as to where I would like some evidence of a strong link presided by you—there is not one reason to disbelieve his witnessing!
8:47 pm [ Quote ]
Ashton, I didn’t mention a SINGLE thing about Sada in my comment. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
8:56 pm [ Quote ]
No, TruthInAdvertising, I meant you.
“So assume Saddam had no WMD.”
That’s where Sada came in from my comment.
8:57 pm [ Quote ]
Stop the Presses! Randy has uncovered the Secret Syrian Chemical Weapons plants!
They are located at 36°02’02”N 37°21’03”E! Somebody get this info the the POTUS!
http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html
Umnumzana, if those are the types of facts that you are using to convince anti-war liberals I am not surprised that they get headaches.
8:59 pm [ Quote ]
Ladies and gentlemen, we are at the point now, that even if Saddam himself said during his trial, he had WMDs, was gonna use him, he was trying to get ‘em, wanted The Bomb, etc. That liberal morons would just claim he was tortured into saying so.
There just IS no convincing anyone so blinded by their hatred of this administration, the party or the country.
9:12 pm [ Quote ]
I’m not going to go off of one Iraqi generals word, sorry. Even though I didn’t like it, Colin Powell lied too.
I’ll reserve my judgement until the facts come in.
9:46 pm [ Quote ]
It’s obvious that Saddam was telling the truth. Saddam is a trustworthy guy, and if he says he unilaterally disarmed of the tons of WMD the UN inspectors claims he had, then that’s good enough for me.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.transcript.blix
The US and her allies should learn to trust psychotic dictators more—aside from wantonly killing and torturing thousands of people, they’re not bad people.
11:31 pm [ Quote ]
FalseInAdvertising:
Stop the Presses! Randy has uncovered the Secret Syrian Chemical Weapons plants!
They are located at 36°02’02?N 37°21’03?E! Somebody get this info the the POTUS!
First of all, not that you were honest to begin with, but acting like that is the only evidence I provided is ridiculous. That is one story based on the testimony of a Syrian journalist who’s exiled to Europe. I gave 6 or 7 other links, and they are just a few of the many out there.
11:56 pm [ Quote ]
I’m glad adults make most military decisions and not liberals.
I’ve been maintaining that this was all true for years now at my college. My housemates think i’m nuts and say they’ve never heard of WMD’s actually being there. I bet they continue to say that after this story too.. and until the end of time. So much for college educations…
We need to just leave everyone living in an episode of Barney (the purple dinosaur),in their own imaginary world, while the adults move on fighting an essential war…
12:20 am [ Quote ]
Ok Randy, let’s go.
1) http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html
“36°02’02?N 37°21’03?E”
Enough said.
2) http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=10547
“Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, head of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, said vehicle traffic photographed by U.S. spy satellites indicated that material and documents related to the arms programs were shipped to Syria.”
I wonder why this information wasn’t sent to Bush (or Tenet). So you are saying that Clapper knew the weapons were not in Iraq but we invaded anyway? By the way Randy, do I need to post the CIA docs about the mobile biological weapon labs again?
3) http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
(Same author as article 2)
“The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam’s weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said. ”
RDX and HMX are common military high explosives. Used for everything from bombs to solid rocket propellant. RDX and HMX are not prohibited by the UN. Why was Iraq trying to disperse the material? In fact Randy, the UN knew about the RDX and HMX. They allowed Iraq to have it but they also tracked it. So I wonder why Iraq was sending this to Syria?
4)
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_iraq_070704,00.html
”
The nuclear material was secured from Iraq’s former nuclear research facility and airlifted out of the country to an undisclosed Energy Department laboratory for further analysis, the department said in a statement.
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham described the previously undisclosed operation, which was concluded June 23, as “a major achievement” in an attempt to “keep potentially dangerous nuclear material out of the hands of terrorists.”
The haul included a “huge range” of radioactive items used for medical and industrial purposes, said Bryan Wilkes, a spokesman for the Energy Department’s National Nuclear Security Administration. ”
So this article is stating nothing about Saddam but rather now that we invaded and can’t defend Iraq from insurgents that, we need to make sure the terrorists cannot loot the radioactive material used for normal medical or industrial purposes?
5) http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/76255-1/
This is a recent article but it refers to the same individual as #3. It does add this about Mr. Shaw:
“John Shaw himself has been involved in one of the scandals at the centre of the reconstruction work in Iraq . He in particular has tried to attain contracts for firms of his friends and their business partners. Once, when presenting himself as a worker for the notorious company Halliburton, Shaw tried to enter restricted territory of one of Iraq’s ports. The scandal occurred in 2004. Two and a half months later he appeared with his evidence.”
Did you think I’d miss that Randy?
6) http://www.nysun.com/article/27183
“A former special investigator for the Pentagon during the Iraq war said he found four sealed underground bunkers in southern Iraq that he is sure contain stocks of chemical and biological weapons. But when he asked American weapons inspectors to check out the sites, he was rebuffed.”
Again you’re saying that we know exactly where the WMD are (behind a sealed door) and three years later we haven’t opened the door? Maybe after going to that location in Syria, we should find the sealed doors and open them. For some reason I am not convinced that behind that (still sealed) door are WMD.
7) Your link to www.cnsnews.com is broken.
12:21 am [ Quote ]
Lots of reasons for the admin to “ignore” this:
1) they already gave up on WMD
2) they aren’t going to mention them again unless they find an Iraqi ICBM with chem+bio warheads
3) they get more from private leverage against russia than public leverage
4) etc
12:23 am [ Quote ]
What were the 20+ reasons for invading?
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
12:43 am [ Quote ]
Ursus, thank you!
So according to Jon, WMD were 1 out of 20+ reasons. Jon seems to think that WMD were not the primary focus for the war. I suggest _Jon reread that link very carefully. Remove all references to WMD and what do you have left?
1:07 am [ Quote ]
Sada’s not the only one:
Ibrahim al-Tikriti says something remarkably similar to Sada in this article:
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=1610&cid=2&sid=38
1:25 am [ Quote ]
...you still have the UN Resolutions…including the oppression of the Iraqi civilians, etc, which can’t be discounted.
You also have Clinton to thank for the Iraq Liberation Act. It forbid the President to use the military to remove Saddam from power while supporting a regime change, but Congress authorized Bush to bypass that (as you’ll see in the Resolution Ursus just posted; they were WELL aware of the act, and actually directed that he comply with portions of it).
1:42 am [ Quote ]
HAHA I bet the Daily Show audience LOVED that piece. Damn…we can’t clap and laugh about no WMD jokes today…..FUCK!
No wait….yes we can…..because this guy doesn’t agree with us so he can’t be trusted at all.
1:42 am [ Quote ]
And nobody cares if you aren’t totally convinced MADISON.
1:46 am [ Quote ]
UN Resolutions? Again, since when are we the enforcement arm of the UN? If we are in fact the the enforcement arm of the UN where is the order of force from the Security Council? And when do we get our reimbursement check for the ~$250B spent so far.
Oppression of Iraqi civilians? If that is the reason for going to a war, I suggest we mount up and go after at least a dozen countries in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and even South America. I always prefer starting with Saudi Arabia but I can compromise. Who’s with me?
So is that the best we can offer SethWynd? Before 9/11 I knew exactly who the Taliban were. I knew about the fundamentalist Muslim schools in Pakistan. Before 9/11 I knew of the Rwanda massacres. I knew of Mugabe turning Zimbabwe into killing fields. Where was the US? I’m reminded of this movie quote:
Whistler: I want peace on earth and goodwill toward men.
Bernard Abbott: We’re the United States Government! We don’t deal with that sort of thing.
I’m sure you all know this one:
Q: Somalia.
A: It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn’t have supported either.
2:44 am [ Quote ]
FalseInAdvertising, I don’t know what the problem was with the CNS link, but here it is
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=SpecialReportsarchive200410SPE20041004a.html
You didn’t do anything but cherrypick your favorite parts of those articles. The point was that Sada isn’t alone in his claims, and those are just a few articles from the past years that prove it. No smoking gun, nor did I claim it. But as it just adds on… I’m so tired of repeatin this but the Dems made stronger WMD arguments for over a decade leading up to the war, Clinton launched strikes on Iraq for the same reasons and signed the Iraq liberation act. He even defending going after them when others had WMDs (if you want I can give you the link to December 1998, but you’d probably think it was Bush in 2003).. The world believed he had them, or at least wasn’t proving he didn’t to the satisfaction of the UN. “Disarm, Disclose, or face serious consequences” is what it all comes down to.
But the point is, intel all said they were there.. it wasn’t something Bush came up with after 9/11, as much as you liars like to pretend he did. All your top liars, who now call Bush a liar spent over a decade making a stronger WMDs in Iraq argument. FACT!
Now if you believe Saddam was the good guy and decided to destroy all of this stuff on his own, under the radar (after we know he had and used it), that’s your choice. I choose to believe that so many people couldn’t have all been wrong, and we’ve seen many people come out of the woodwork talking about the stuff being moved to Syria.
This is just such a waste of time… believe what you want libs, but I don’t believe history will be kind to you partisan and dishoneset finger pointers though. I just hope all your undermining and Bush hatred doesn’t render the war unwinnable, but as long as it’s about bringing down Bush you people couldn’t care less.
3:24 am [ Quote ]
The point is Randy that for all the pre-war intelligence that we had (and even post-war intelligence as shown in the CIA biological weapons lab links) we were wrong on many, many things. Yes, intelligence used by Clinton was wrong too! Three years later you’d think that we could all agree on that point.
So while you hold out hope for people like Sada I look at the facts as they are. I see your stories of GPS coordinates in Syria, “sealed door” theories and see no substance. I am not into chasing conspiracy theories.
For all your links about these GPS coordinates for chemical weapons plants in Syria (I assume these plants were not flown via plane to Syria, right Randy?), the four sealed doors that nobody has managed to open, the 380 tons of secretly hidden explosives that the UN already knew about and things just don’t add up.
So I’m sorry you tire of this but if you think I cherry picked points from your articles, maybe you should have found articles that could not so easily be mocked (mocked with facts and reason by the way). Do you want to say that the primary contents of your links are not GPS coordinates of a “chemical weapons plant”, “four sealed doors in Iraq’, “380 tons of UN tracked explosives”, “Non-military/Non-governmental radioactive substances”?
Your CNSNews.com link still doesn’t work for me. But don’t worry about it. I’ve read and analyzed enough articles from CNSNews.com to know what kind of position they like to take. They might as well be newsmax.com.
Facts, Reason (and Evidence) Randy. If you want to debate, I suggest you starts with those. It might take some time but you’ll eventually see the Truth.
3:39 am [ Quote ]
Wow, no link mentioned between 9/11 and Iraq? Well that Joint Resolution sure proves that wrong. How many times was 9/11 mentioned in that article, Christ.
6:28 am [ Quote ]
“I am not into chasing conspiracy theories.”
You did a few post ago, TruthInAdvertising. Remember when you posted
“So assume Saddam had no WMD.?
That’s enough of a conspiracy theory for me.
7:58 am [ Quote ]
This is a second-hand account, at best
This guy is admitting that, after the ‘90’s, he only heard that the weapons still existed and were moved. And, according to him, they weren’t actual weapons at all, they were barrels.
Funny how some – repeat some – on the left don’t have this same critical judgment when it comes to accusations against Bush or the Administration.
Bush himself has admitted that he was “misled” by “faulty intelligence” and that there were no wmd’s. His reason for going to war with Iraq has changed about 27 times.
HAHA I bet the Daily Show audience LOVED that piece. Damn…we can’t clap and laugh about no WMD jokes today…..FUCK!
Much the same way you probably got a good chuckle out of the comment Bush made at the Washington Press Corps dinner when they flashed a picture on the screen of him looking under his desk and he joked about NOT being able to find any wmd’s.
HYPOCRITES.
8:32 am [ Quote ]
Madison, I’ve written about this before. For people like you, tapes and mounds and reams of evidence can come out to the effect that Saddam had WMDs, was in the process of reinstituting his nuclear program, and had over 18 months to hide all this evidence, and that still wouldn’t matter! You’d come up with some excuse NOT to believe that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. The CIA may not have had faulty intelligence, but do you know what the odds are of every other major intelligence agency in the world making the same conclusion about Saddams’ WMD program? Slim to none.
The Israeli Army has sattelite photos of the Iraqi trucks bringing weapons into Syria. They launched one of Iraqi’s missiles in a test launch. You have many eye wittnesses that have seen Saddam’s program in action. What the hell else do you need?!? I mean, seriously, it’s really comparable to holocaust deniers actually saying that Nazi admittance of atrocities are NOT proof that the holocaust ever happened. “There is no Jedi…” Yes, it’s really hard to admit that Bush was right. But, the first step to recovery admitting you have a problem.
-OC
9:20 am [ Quote ]
Add this to the list…
of things I never expected to see (or hear) on The Daily Show: JON STEWART, HOST: Then, is the battle between our two countries, was it drummed up between Saddam and his interests to dominate the Arab world and our…...
9:26 am [ Quote ]
And nobody cares if you aren’t totally convinced MADISON.
NOBODY cares? Did you ask EVERYBODY? Do you even know EVERYBODY?
What a stupid statement.
11:28 am [ Quote ]
tapes and mounds and reams of evidence can come out to the effect that Saddam had WMDs, was in the process of reinstituting his nuclear program, and had over 18 months to hide all this evidence, and that still wouldn’t matter!
I think Saddam probably did have wmd’s…in the ‘90’s. Guess what…we’ve still got them! Show me all of these tapes and mounds and reams of evidence that prove Saddam still had them and was reinstituting his nuclear program. Where is all this hard evidence?
And, again, if Syria has the weapons, and they are test launching them, it must mean that they are planning on using them, so why no pre-emptive strike on Syria?
Yes, it’s really hard to admit that Bush was right.
Doesn’t seem that difficult for you. Or, perhaps, it’s equally as hard for some to suppose that Bush is a liar.
11:44 am [ Quote ]
Thanks for posting the link, Ursus – I was gonna post the link to the PDF.
Clay – I was going there as I read this element from the AUMF:
” Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;”—That, to me, is enough to invade right there. WMD’s become a minor quibble.
11:53 am [ Quote ]
Hey, maybe we should invade Arizona, California, Florida, New Jersey and New York, as well.
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm
1:30 pm [ Quote ]
I find the General perfectly credible. If anyone would know about the reality of the WMD, it would be him! I do think those WMD still existed and were moved. And because the left has obstructed and lied about the Bush administration’s motives from day one, it will be hard now for us to go after them in Syria. Thanks, Lefties!
I look forward to these documents being made public. Saddam was a monster, he worked with terrorists and was a terrorist himself. He should have already been hung in the public square. But seeing how long Milosevic was on trial, I guess the Iraq trial is moving quickly! Not exactly what I call speedy justice.
1:42 pm [ Quote ]
Do you know the difference between actively working with a criminal and one hiding out in your backyard?
1:43 pm [ Quote ]
Yes, I do MirCot. Do you?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1
5:55 pm [ Quote ]
TruthInAdvertising said:———————-
UN Resolutions? Again, since when are we the enforcement arm of the UN? If we are in fact the the enforcement arm of the UN where is the order of force from the Security Council?———————-
Someone had to enforce them. Obviously the UN wasn’t. France and Russia were too concerned with personal interests there to vote in favor of the resolution.
Technically, the UN should have put Saddam on trial for the various crimes against humanity he committed in a similar fashion as they did for Slobodan Milosevic. Did they? No. The UN failed us there.
One other thing:
If the USA and the “coalition of the willing” are so wrong to invade Iraq, then why did the UN Security Council pass Resolution 1483 making the USA, UK, and the rest of the coalition the legal governing and peacekeeping authority in the country? If we were so wrong to invade them, then why did they place us in charge of Iraq and not punish us for war crimes?
If we were so wrong, shouldn’t the UN have intervened to stop us from the day we declared war on Iraq? I’m talking direct intervention, they can blow hot air about all that they like.
I find it odd that the Left of this country, many of whom wanted us to go through the UN in the first place and are supporters of the UN, is more willing to persecute us for our decision to go to war than the UN is.
7:14 pm [ Quote ]
No, Madison, it really has nothing to do with Bush for me. But, it does have to with Bush, for you. If you really want me to get into why Syria is not at the forefront at our threats list right, and, by that, I mean the people who would be most effected: Israel, then let me know, and we can start that dance. But, for now, let’s stick with the issue at hand and not try to change the subject so as to not address the question.
What exactly do you mean by, “Guest what… we still got em”? Who’s “we”, and what do they “still got”? When you say that you believe Saddam have WMDs in the ‘90s, what exact years are you referring to? Do you mean that he had them after the cease-fire was signed in 1991? When I talk about reams of evidence, I am talking about first the simple things that have already come up. For example, the fact that Saddam possessed weapons that were illegal for him to possess as declared by the cease-fire, the UN Security Council Resolutions, and sanctions. By the way, that’s grounds enough, without even one hint of a WMD, for the US to go to war with Saddam. See, a cease-fire technically means that a war isn’t over. It’s only on hiatus until if and when one of those sides break the deal. Then, the cease-fire is null and void. You know, like Hamas, IJ, etc firing rockets into Israeli homes. Second, there are the tapes of Saddam’s chemical and biological laboratories containing a vast number of nasty stuff that could wipe a greater number of people than a given nuclear weapon. See, Biological and chemical weapons are considered WMDs too. There’s also the testimonies and affidavits given by former scientists of Saddam who had testified that those labs were being very much worked in under teh UN inspectors’ noses and in direct violation of said cease-fire, UN Resolutions, and sanctions.
See, I didn’t really trust American Intelligence when it came to going to war. They had been systemtically decimated by the Clinton Administrations. They didn’t really have the capability to be completely thorough. But, when every other major Intelligence agency in the world says the same thing, it’s got to lift at least one eye-brow that at least ONE of them may be on to something.
Next, there’s also the thousands of pages of documents and hours upon hours of tapes which have just been uncovered that discuss Saddam’s violations and reinstitution of his WMD program right under the UN inspector’s noses. Unfotunately, they have not all been made public yet, but bits and pieces have already been released by the Congressional Committee overseeing the decyphering of all this new evidence. But, of course, eye wittness testimony, video tapes, the concurrence of every major intelligence agency in the world, and this newly uncovered evidence that had been buried by Saddam in preperation for the Coolition’s invasion (well, he did have 18 months to hide everything) doesn’t matter one damn bit to people like you. I’m going to sound like a broken record here, but you’d still find some way to discredit everything and say that all this evidence doesnt equal proof. I would bet that if Saddam would stand up and shout these facts out loud tomorrow in a court room, you would, like the holocaust deniers who screamed about the Nurenberg trial, that he was forced to make these claim under duress and that they’re not really true.
-OC
10:04 am [ Quote ]
To TruthInAdvertising:
You want to know what the reasons are for going to war with Iraq, simply do a little research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002
11:01 pm [ Quote ]
1. Why is he coming out with this now? Why’d he wait two years to release this information? It’s not like he’s been in hiding this whole time. He served under Allawi.
2. Why did he say he did not see them with his own eyes just weeks ago, on Brian Lehrer’s radio show?
http://audio.wnyc.org/bl/bl030906b.mp3
3. On the Daily Show, why did he describe them as “big yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on them”? Didn’t saddam want the WMD hidden? As John Stewart said, wouldn’t he want something like “SPAM” written on them?
4. How come none of the major networks are making reference to this? Shouldn’t FOX be all over this?
When presented with information, don’t think “What would John Stewart/Bill O’Reilly/my friends/my family think about this.” These political flame wars piss me off. Turn off your information filters and just think logically. What ever happened to good ol’ moderate, logical thinking? Why is everyone an extremist idiot, who can’t think/research for themselves?
2:39 am [ Quote ]
come on people, READ and THINK before you comment…
61auxxin,
1. Why is he coming out with this now? Why’d he wait two years to release this information? It’s not like he’s been in hiding this whole time. He served under Allawi.
Well, well, he DID say it before… just because YOU didn’t notice doesn’t mean it wasn’t out there! He even took the time to WRITE A BOOK! How long do you think THAT took him? hmmm…
Also, in answer to questions 2 and 3… he said right in Jon Stewart’s interview that he didn’t SEE what the pilots transported. They TOLD him about it. His “skull and crossbones” comment was about generalized WMD material storage, that it wasn’t in the form of complete WMDs. Understand ~ His comment was NOT about what he SAW when the pilots transported the materials.
4. How come none of the major networks are making reference to this? Shouldn’t FOX be all over this?
LOL, READ GUYS, READ!! COMMENT NUMBER 14:
14yojimbo Said:
March 22, 2006
(oops…I still can’t make links properly)
Sada on FOX:
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182932,00.html
9:11 pm [ Quote ]
I can see my earlier post was removed.
We’ll try this again.. Fact Check for George Sada’s tall tales.
http://www.phillipholmes.com/?p=81